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| <BenEdelman> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:13) Greetings, folks. The meeting has just begun. |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:14) Carl Bildt's presentation on the ALSC report is now available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/bildt-alsc.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <ThomasRoessler> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:17) The "dual pane"c window doesn't seem to work here - RealPlayer is fine, but no scribe's notes. This is with Mozilla-0.9.5, JavaScript enabled. |
| <ThomasRoessler> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:17) ups, needs Java. |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:18) Hi Thomas. Try Internet Explorer. It is working. |
| <ThomasRoessler> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:18) Becca: If I see the source code correctly, you're using Java (not ...Script) for the Scribe's notes. That was deactivated. Sorry for the false alert. |
| <anon93> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:32) #board |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:32) Is there a bug or culprit in the system? |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:33) My domain name in the company column |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:33) of the remote participant list |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:33) has been altered |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:51) hi all |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:52) Hi Leah. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:52) did I miss much? |
| <root> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:53) what is ester doing there |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:53) she's on the ALSC |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:54) No, same old same old. Counting how many ways Bildt can say the same thing. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:54) not surprising |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:54) No, dull, very dull. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 17:59) if they can't finance it, they should not be in charge |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:05) hello all! |
| <SaraHathaway> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:05) Greetings |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:05) thanks Ben! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:05) Hi sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:05) have I missed anything earth-shaking? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:06) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:06) I'm not surprised. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:06) William certainly sent us for a loop today with his reversal on the statement.. care to comment Leah? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:07) haven |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:07) haven't read it, sotiris |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:08) what was his reversal? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:08) he objected to the statement. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:09) I'll have to read what he said and re-read the statement. On the surface, I objected, as you know |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:09) after having agreed to it previously by "not taking exception." |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:09) Leah, you are not a member. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:09) that's very true |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:09) but I did revise the statement, and jefesy agree d to it as well |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:09) as did Michael Moriarty |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:10) as did pretty much everyone else by implication |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:10) I generally disagree with Michael on most issues |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:11) i any case, William agreed to the statement when it was favourable to ICANN in slant. Once I'd removed the ICANN stuff, but left the rest (i.e. the exact same wording, just shorter), he now jumps up and objects! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:11) after the time set as a deadline no less! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) his behaviour is becoming intoerable |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) Well, you know that William is biased. He's a disrupter |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) is he some kind of natural contrarian? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) no kidding! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) His forte is the debate, not the issue |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) he's no even good at debate! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:12) He is far right in ideology |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) he's an ad hominem user |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) not dialectic |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) his reasoning is certainly lacking in any depth or long-term consistency |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) oh, he's quite consistent, actually |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) he seems only to ract to thwart progress |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) yep |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:13) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:14) I've come to that conclusion |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:16) I would have to say, tho, that any statement in favor of anything the ALSC has done would go against the principles of forming the at-large |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:16) I agree |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:16) however, we know that the board will support it and ignore the NAIS |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:16) which is why i originally included it. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:17) it's good to find out who stands where, don't you thin? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:17) k |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:17) certainly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:17) I think William was completely exposed with his latest reversal |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:17) now there can be no question, I think. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:18) I was never under the impression that I could get away with an IDNO statement that SUPPORED the ALSC! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:18) He's always been exposed, really. He wants to see individuals have a voice, but he's completely biased for business and believes that the rights go to those with the market share |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:18) e.g. his stance on the "alt.tlds" |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:19) he liked new.net even though they stole tlds |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:20) principles and ethics don't apply |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:20) have I missed the |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:20) "AtLarge" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:20) presentation? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:20) yes, but they accomplished nothing |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:20) everything needs to be further discussed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:21) so my submitting a question right now would be useless? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:21) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:21) it's nice to know one's plce in the world... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:21) ;-) |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:21) ha! We have no place in ICANN. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:22) LOL |
| <SaraHathaway> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:25) sotiris, have you looked at the slides from the presentation? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:25) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:25) url? |
| <SaraHathaway> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:25) cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/bildt-alsc.html |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:25) ty |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:28) brb have to go out for about 15 minutes. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:38) good for milton |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:39) The sole voice of reason. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:40) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:40) who owns the dns software? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) depends on which dns software you refer to |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) ICANN's root dns tree |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) BIND is Berkeley. I think that is open source |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) politically? Cade Bildt & Co. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) right. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) hello Sottiris, Leah, Judith |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) Hi Joop. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) djbdns is someone else |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) Joop |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:41) welcome |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:42) hi joop |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:42) sotriris what do you mean by dns software? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) the network program which resolves domain names to their hosts |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) assigned hosts |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) there are more than one |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) anyone could write dns software |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) wich is the trunk? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) who is muttering? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:43) you're not talking about software, sotiris. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:44) is the dns not a system which resolves names into ip allocations? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:44) **consistency in IP protection** is why ICANN control. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:44) microsoft has its own version too |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:45) yes, within the msn |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:45) nope. it's used in servers running wincrash |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:45) i am not familiar with it |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:45) but is different from BIND and djbdns. Does the same thing tho -resolves dns |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:46) new ones are being developed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:46) is microsoft bucking to eplace icann too? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:46) sure, or dominate it |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:46) yes |
| <RonAndruff> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:47) Judith, I would like to meet with you at some point. I am on the left side of the room, three rows back from the mike, grey sweater. Do you see me? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:48) The camera is facing the panel, not the audience. |
| <RonAndruff> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:48) I thought you were in the room.... |
| <SaraHathaway> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:49) hi z |
| <zz> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:52) hello |
| <zz> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:53) any news on the deletes issue? |
| <zz> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:56) Where can I find updates regarding the Registry name Deletion Processes from the Registrar's constituency meeting? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:58) split personality |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:58) hehe |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:59) Leah, did you speak with Joanna? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:59) is she going to make this chat? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 18:59) i spoke with her earlier |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:00) she was having machine troubles |
| <ThomasRoessler> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:00) What has happened to the dot-org interim report due before the GAC comments? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:00) I have not spoken to Joanna |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:02) what happened to the Review Task force report? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:04) Joop, Rebecca wrote that the link to the statement is not working |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:04) but it works just fine for me Becca |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:05) Rebecca? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:05) There is also a link from the front page of www.idno.org |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:06) just lost the audio feed |
| <SaraHathaway> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:06) yep |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:06) http://www.democracy.org.nz/idno/mdr2001.htm |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:07) have now lost both audio/video |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:07) Thought it was only me. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:08) is there anybody inthe audience, who can tell us what's happening? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:08) Ron, what's happening there? |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:08) If you are having trouble with the primary video/audio feed, please try it again. It should be fine now. |
| <RonAndruff> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:09) All continues as normal... |
| <RonAndruff> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:09) No one here is reacting to anything. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:09) tried reconnecting. Got file not found error |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:10) Leah, me too. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:11) looks as if somebody has cut off the feed. last camera image is as if image is partly obscured |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:11) okay, fourth try and it connected |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:11) scribe notes are still going |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:11) primary realmedia feed |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:12) It is working correctly. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:13) Funny the IP people don't mind imposing their word control on others, but don't like the GAC doing the same to them. |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:17) Folks, I had to restart the primary video encoder when it briefly malfunctioned (and locked up the image, as Joop noted). |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:17) That feed was down for 2.7 minutes total, by my count, but (all!) the others remained operational throughout. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:18) Thanks Ben. Back up again. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:18) rebecca |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:18) here it is |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:18) http://www.hermesnetwork.com/mdr/mdr2001.htm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:19) Joop rebecca cannot get your page |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:19) i had toremove the images as they were too much trouble to copy and move |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:19) Rebecca? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:20) btw the audio is still down |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:21) Rebecca can you see the page now? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:21) Hello Rachel, |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:22) Hi joop! |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:22) will be @ ICANN on-site tomorrow :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:22) the audio is back |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:22) the video is out |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) I am having no trouble with the audio / video feed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) Rachel, can you see the following page: http://www.hermesnetwork.com/mdr/mdr2001.htm |
| <Waggz> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) mine keeps coming back up and down, lousy connection, or just a lot of people |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) video is locked up again, but I'm getting audio |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) "Trademark names would take precedence over country names where they coincide." I can't wait to see the GAC's response to this. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) ha! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) unless the GAC is just the US.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) (what goes around comes around) |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:23) interesting since one cannot trademark a regional name |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:24) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:24) correct leah |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:24) or a region of source |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:24) Sotiris - yes |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:24) even more interesting are the TLDs with regional names such as .newyork |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:25) hello Rebecca! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:25) just lost audio |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:25) me 2 |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:25) just lost audio again. |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:25) <aol>me too</aol> |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:25) Rebecca, can you get back to me on whether or not you can see the following page: http://www.hermesnetwork.com/mdr/mdr2001.htm |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:26) the windows media feed is running more or less |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:27) i'm still cut off. reconnect did not work |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:27) the low -res Real feed is OK |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:28) Ben or Rebecca? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:28) hello? |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:28) Joop, I just tested the links and they are working. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) Ben? |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) Sotiris, what do you need? |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) My reception is poor |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) I put it on the following link:http://www.hermesnetwork.com/mdr/mdr2001.htm |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) in case you could not see joop's |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) I am getting your link may be outdated or inacurate messages when trying to log in |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:29) Sotiris, I sent you an email regarding this. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:30) ah |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:30) 28.8 is working. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:30) http://www.idno.org/mdr2001.htm will work as well |
| <RonAndruff> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) Joop, we are now moving to the task force... |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) Foster, please just try the link again. From time to time one of the feeds needs to be fixed. If a particular link is not working repeatedly, please try another one. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) Aha! Review Task Force |
| <FosterTaft> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) ah yes now (28.8) thanks |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) ok Rebecca |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) i got your mail |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:31) unless joop has a problem with it? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:32) I prefer the link to the idno website, sure. People will be able to look around |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:33) the links still work |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:34) Sotiris and Joop, let's have any discussion about this via email rather than in the ICANN chat. It is not on the topic of the current meeting. Thanks. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:34) joop, if she can't see your pages, then it's better she sees mine |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:34) ok |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos1> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:35) sorry |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:35) if /msg works you two can chat offline |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:40) YJ finally raises the point |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:42) The NC questions were answered , but the Task Force report ignored that |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:45) clear? another dodge to avoid individuals |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:47) I just submitted the following question , I wonder if it will be read: |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:47) The Review Task Force asked a series of questions from the original applicants for a new Constituency (IDNO) , to help them determining qualification. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:48) These questions were responded to on the official comments list and these answers have not been acknowledged in the report. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:48) Could you please publicly acknowledge that you have received such answers? |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:50) Joop, the DNSO Names Council usually does not accept public comment during its meetings. No time is alloted for it in the agenda today. Public comment is heard in the DNSO General Assembly. Please consider resubmitting your question then. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:51) This is an interesting conversation. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:51) i lost audio again |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:51) I lost my feed again |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:51) me too |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:53) becca, I just like to point out that during the debate on IDN and the GAC, questions from the floor were entertained |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:54) Cochetti and Stubbs are tripping over exactly what they did with the UDRP, but now they don't want it done to them. |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:54) *chuckle* |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:54) YJ has the courage to be persistent |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:55) sHAME ON YOU, pHIL sHEPPARD |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:57) Joop, if questions from the audience are taken on a particular topic on which we have substantive online comments, those comments will be given to the Chair to be asked. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 19:58) The question has been posed in the proper comments space. |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:00) I understand. If they were to take comment on that topic, we would pass it to the Chair. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:01) Well, they chose not to. |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:09) Keep loosing the feed |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:13) Folks, we'll be back with the Public Forum on At Large in about 45-50 minutes. |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:14) :) |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:15) Joop, you there? |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:36) How much longer for today's session? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:37) sorry, guys. I had a monitored delivered right in the middle of everything. Had to install it |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:37) sheesh! |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:37) Leah, what is the state of your .BIZ in the wake of NeuLevel's rollout? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:39) heh, keep your eyes on areas outside of the US :) |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:39) we're expanding |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:39) ? |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:39) good |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:40) How much longer for today's meeting? |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:40) And where are the usual participants in this room |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:40) PacificRoot is the provider for our registry services. They are bringing on registrars... |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:40) watch for notices |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:40) but what about collisions? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) there is now a plug-in that allows you to choose which of the versions you wish to address. IT's downloadable at pacificroot.com |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) hehe |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) works on wen32 platforms |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) Interesting. |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) glad to see they didnt destroy you |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) it will get more interesting |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) brb |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:41) we're not about to be destroyed that easily |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:42) Has Frangie or Ambler been around? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:42) have an obligation to our registrants |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:42) frangie was here earlier |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:42) good to hear your devotion. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:42) registrants are really the main reason for having a registry |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:43) I wonder what path will unfold now. |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:43) With Round 2 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:43) leah, wish icann saw things that way |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:43) .WEB, .KIDS, etc. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:43) i doubt there will be a round 2 for a while |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:43) ICANN puts on this dog and pony show 3 or 4 times a year. |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:44) but they very clearly have an agenda |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:46) Ben, I'm saddened by the fact that you did not conduct research on the problems Afilias experienced |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:46) Including down time and TM faud. |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:46) Considering your mining of the .WEB and ARNI's .BIZ databases, I would have imagined you would have done the same sort of thing with .INFO. |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:46) Do you have an explanation for not doing so? |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:51) let's see if a real IRC clent keeps me from getting bumped off |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 20:53) brb |
| <SpectralWeb> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:08) hello again |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:13) Carl Bildt's presentation on the ALSC report is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/bildt-alsc.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:15) most of whom? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:22) With whom did Bildt do a deal, and for what, that he's so vested in his report? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:22) He was a candidate for Board director at one time |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:25) greetings. |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:25) hi |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:27) Ordinary Internet users have NEVER heard of ICANN! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:27) they have not been successful in finding enough opinions contrary to the opinions that they were confronted with in the at large forum. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:28) There's a difference between someone presenting research findings, and someone selling a position. And he's selling this position hard, word for word, at every opportunity. Whomever benefits the most from his version of at large? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:28) (who benefits the most?) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:28) The Board picked a slick salesman, I have to grant him that. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:29) who's that? Bildt? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:29) just rejoined |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:29) ys |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:30) yes |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:30) well I like the local/regional ALSO entities concept... speaking from the antipodeas |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:30) Not the board - the exec committee or the staff. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:31) Cheryl, why do you say that? As an au or nz you have no chance to ever have a regional director from au or nz |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:32) Only if they agree to fold au and nz into Europe |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:32) tell me about it... BUT a better voice IF we have regions or sub regions... I can influence oceanic or asiatic views a LOT more effectiv;y than USA or EU |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:32) and I'm au |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:33) Well, then , try your regional director, Mr Katoh :-) |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) lol |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) lol |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) 666 should I even comment |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) heh |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) Eh, I means, elected at large director, Mr Katoh |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) ha! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) Who is speaking? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:34) 666...ha |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:35) that's got to be intentional. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:35) elected by japanese corporate proxy voters i'll warrant |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:35) There is a long story, that is partially told in the NAIS report |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:37) good point |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) ha! |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) random peons?? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) that's what he said |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) that's what he said alright |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) Who was the gentleman who just spoke? |
| <Waggz> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) hans klein |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:38) Hans Klein I beleieve |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:39) gee, is Darth Kraaijenbrink still around? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:39) forever. Last time he even joined this chat group |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:40) Anyone have Hans' email address offhand? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:40) Yeah, I remember keeping on his tail, if that WAS him. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:40) anyone else losing audio? |
| <Waggz> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:40) and video |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:40) not atm |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:40) Evil@ICANN.org? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:41) Hans Kraaijenbrink <H.Kraaijenbrink@kpn-telecom.nl> |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:41) I did at earleir meeting and switched from one viewer to the other |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:41) No, Hans Klein. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:42) hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:43) who is speaking now? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) compromise? random sampling? what's this guy saying? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) Not sure. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) limit voting to a random sample? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) I'm waiting for the next person, whoever it is. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) that's ludicrous |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) So much for free speech. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) who decides what random is? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) is he from mainland China? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:44) Kraaijenbrink |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:45) as it often is in all things polical $$$ |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:45) hmmmm, enter every person's name in the world into a database and run a random choice selection? :) |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:45) hehe |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:45) lol |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:45) Sounds like Afilias' lottery. |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:45) buy tickets for a lottery and the winners get to vote?? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) hahahahahahha |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) He's a jerk. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) (did I say that?) |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) Well, it would provide a new revenue streanm.... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) lol |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) and ICANN needs the $$$ |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) Does he work for Afilias or NeuLevel? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) but then icann is running an illegal lottery |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) *chuckle* |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) Selling votes. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) <gag> |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) barriers of entry |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) what a joke |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:46) what are we here for? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:47) domain names |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:47) improrpiety, corruption and collusion. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:47) if you don't own one, what kind of sa do you want? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:47) say |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:47) why should someone who does not own a domain name have a say about what happens to people who own domains |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:48) um..hmm... |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:48) trying to see a real-world correlation. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:48) Hmm |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:48) I suppose you're right. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) However, there should be a body politic that ensures that domain holders are treated fairly. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) that's like saying everyone but American citizens should decide American policy.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) what the hell is that? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) agreed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) no domain: no vote |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) priod |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:49) period |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) Between the crappy audio and the heavy accents, I can't make a word out. |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) So do I get a vote for every domain name I hold then??? |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) the flip side of that though is many domain names: many votes. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) multiple domains mean just one vote |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) Sotiris, a vote in the AL to vote for a regional director is useless, if the NC still continues to exclude IDNH's |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) but what if you have 1 domain in your name and another in your company name, in which you are the only member. |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) 2 votes. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:50) some american ciizens have more money than others... can they vote more times? |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:51) in Chicago they can *grin* |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:51) noooo, but the can finance campaigns :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:51) even a company needs an administrative contact |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:51) indeed they can |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:52) good ? indeed |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:52) bravo joop |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:52) At least they read the question |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:52) :) |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:52) :-) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:52) no guarantees |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:53) Its a good question. And I don't think they can deliver. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:53) Hello World |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:53) hey |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:54) lots of fun, cow. |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:54) I see |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:54) anything of any importance go down today? |
| <TomOcc> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:54) Yeah, they approved .web, .sex, .kids, .zzz and .blah |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:56) ahhh |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:56) nothing to important then |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 21:56) ;) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:03) wolfgang has good idea's |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:05) consensus is possible? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:05) oh boy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:05) is it probable? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:06) news for all of us friend |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:06) i think he was referring to conning/censorship = census |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:07) consensus i mean |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:07) it's a proprieatry icann term |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:07) ah |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:07) my Mom is from Uraquay |
| <MmmCow> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:07) isn't that great? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:07) i think the uruguyanas could have found a better english speaker to represent them... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:08) woops |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:08) if the lingua franca of icann is english, is that not a prerequisite for atlarge membership as well? |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:09) ohhh come on!!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:09) who will translate the membership statement? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:10) bravo vint |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:10) push back the ga meeting |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:10) I agree |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:10) good karl |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:10) that's danny |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:10) he's happy to ive a portion of the ga's time |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:11) he's right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:11) sure, let esther eat up more time |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:11) blah |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:11) Esther had her say in the report ... she's talking on others' time ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:11) oh please |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:12) pay me 50,000 and in 6 moths i will come up with a better proposal |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:12) does anyone doubt this? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:12) what a joke! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:12) get her off!@ |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:12) rolls her eyes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:13) She's said this before too ... this is the only way, you *have* to do it. I don't think her arm is being twisted; I smell a deal here too. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:13) when someone invents the virtual equivalent of a tomato toss at a webcast speech, it will be a great da for humanity |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:13) the whole thing hangs together by deals |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:14) i'd be whipping a good one at her right now... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:14) 10 minutes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:14) for what? |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:14) who's speaking now? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:15) yes, who is this? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:15) good stuff |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:17) bravo! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:17) hear hear |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:17) and how! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:17) thank you! |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:18) :) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:18) oh boy! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:18) say it bro |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:21) mind you, domain ownership is one of my stipulations. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:22) here speaks the capture master |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:22) a $2.00 administration/membership fee for all those domain registrants interested in becoming a member of the AL is not a barrier IMO |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:24) this analogy is bulls*** |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:24) ??? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:24) it's a sad sight when techies become public policy experts |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:24) good point Karl |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:24) it is the eternal argument against voting per se |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:25) stick t scripting code Ken. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:25) t |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:26) my audio went |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:26) in and out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:26) incomprehensible |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:26) digital gibberish |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:26) cut right out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:27) is there such demand on the bandwidth? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:27) available? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:27) surely icann's webcasts should be improving in quality? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:27) this one is the worst one yet.. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:27) in the US no less. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:28) what does that say about icann? |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:28) NANOG has always had problems with their webcasts & theiy're all techies |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:29) sometimes it's tempting to wonder how much of the problem is technical |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:29) mine's OK here in Aus but the earlier one was off and on a LOT |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:29) t's been like that all day |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:29) and i'm in Toronto canada |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:30) the 51st state |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:30) good ? Karl |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:31) yep |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:31) This pro-ALSC-report contingent - particularly this capture argument - is so blatantly passive-aggressive ... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:31) marilyn cade? again? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:31) this is the public? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:32) David is an idno member |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:32) really? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:32) David what? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:32) yep. Good guy too. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:33) David Johnson |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:33) Did you read his proposal to the ALSC?S |
| <RachelLuxemburg> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:33) rock on |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:34) no |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:34) where is it? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:35) posted to the atlargeforum.org |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:35) thanks |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:37) Adam picks up my point too. It is a major weakness in the report |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:38) Ha! The "business constituency" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:40) an individual registrant is one whose domain registration is actully in his/her own name. what is difficult with this? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:40) That is not how thge report defines it. That is the difficulty |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:41) oh, but they support a 6 @Large director schema |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:41) which is not restructuring |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:41) please |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:41) ATandT can field 100 "administrative contacts" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:42) that's not what i had in mind |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:43) They should use the kind of definition of IDNH that we use. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:43) if you check sotiris.biz you'll see that I am the owner |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:44) and if you can't remember that, try mnemonics.info |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:44) ;-) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:44) sure. The same for most small businesses. If you have two businesses and 12 names, you are still only one individual. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:44) exactly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:45) "compromise" |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:45) i hate that word |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:46) loath... hate is the wrong image |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:46) try, wedge in the door, perhaps .... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:47) Eric! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:47) He still thinks he is the only "individual" :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:49) He is presenting it well, though |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:50) he did rather well |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:50) a little rushed at the end |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:52) Vint actually snapped at danny when heoffered extra time out of the ga's time... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:54) in Ghana! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:54) yeah right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:54) and public representation? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:54) next t zero |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:55) eventually, everyone will have to have their own address... whther it be dn or ip... so what is really at issue here? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:56) [scary, but tru] |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:56) I agree with him |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:56) emerging economies will have to wait quite a while for that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:57) whoever said tat the marketplace should be held hostage by emerging economies? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:57) why is somene in Ghana more deserving than mself? |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:57) who said it needs to be a hostage situation? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:57) I do not agree with Chris analogy. The DN owners are treated like tenants or licensees |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:58) Nothing like the "landowners " of the 19th century |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:58) there not more desrving or less for that matter |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:58) not at all! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:58) well, if they can't afford it, why is that my problem? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:59) plenty of people in Ghana are probably online |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:59) more will follow in the future |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:59) i don't see the need to hold things up for them |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:59) they may be online and interested but do not have domain names |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:59) exactly |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 22:59) domain names are cheap |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) for 12 dollars you can own one |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) not when your poor or there are gov't restrictions |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) define cheap when monthly income for some families is less then $5 |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) cheryl; DN registrants *are* the DNS. Without them there is nothing and no ICANN. That is why they need to have a vote. The whole kaboodle is funded from their fees. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) so? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) why is that my problem? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:00) let them eat cake |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) for years the developing world has sucked up grants, loans and other subsidies in the trllions of dollars |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) how much more do they deserve? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) and for what? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) a voice |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) a voice is earned |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) not a right |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) which comes back to issues of proportional representation for 'users' under different circumstances such as was mentioned with the single dns for the institution |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) Argentina is free. Most ccTLD 's used to be free. As long as the Domains are free, a holder has no rights to ask for a vote. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:01) exactly |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:02) the US eliminated the poll tax because it was unfair and illegal |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:02) all citizens have the right to vote regardless of income |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:02) or ability to pay |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:02) this is not the us |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:02) it should be the same the world over |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:02) and what exactly defines the terms of citizenship? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) if not we go back to the ruling class dictating to all |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) Leah, that is because public policy affects all. Domain policy affects DH owners. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) is everyone who lives and works in the us a citizen? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) however, we are talking about the AL, not the DNSO |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) ICANN does more than domain names |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) yep |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) addressing in general then |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) the AL is to participate in all areas |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) what is your point leah |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) addressing affects everyone |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:03) in addressing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) addressing |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) Yes, and that is an important difference. The at large has no provision for policy input to the Board |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) and only addressing |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) assigned names and numbers |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) Peter Dengate Thrush |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) who are the assignees? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:04) that is the problem, Joop. It was supposed to have that. The ALSC has perverted it |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:05) Yes, Leah, I agree with that. It was done to defuse the IDNO application to the DNSO |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:05) I did not get Peters' point |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:05) the AL should not be an SO at all |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:06) so the governements bend over backwards for the udrp, but not for the verification of individuals |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:06) peter said that because of national laws, domain name criteria cannot be used because many do not allow indiviudals can have domain names |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:06) what a f88king crock! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:06) what about the udrp then? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:06) doesn't national law clash witrh it? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:07) not all of then use the UDRP either |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:07) it seems he wants to hold off an Individuals constituency within the ccSO |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:07) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:07) so it seems |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:07) hopefully he will be able to delay it beyond Ghana! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:07) I am not sure on whose behalf he speaks. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:08) but where is the meeting after Ghana? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:08) there will be a fight for the 6 seats of the At large. The cc's want two. |
| <root> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:08) most of icann, with few exceptions, should be drawn, quartered and cored. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:09) agreed |
| <baptista> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:09) thats better - not root but baptista |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:09) hey it's Joe! |
| <baptista> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:09) yup - i forgot to set the nick |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:10) there are going to be? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:10) ah |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:10) if they insist on using domain names, then they should set up a registry to automatically assign domains to any individual who requests one, whether it is used or not |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:10) i see |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:11) yes, I had the same proposal in Montevideo: give them yourname.ocann.org |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) but who subsidizes? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) sorry icann.org |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) if they insist on that criteria, they should operate the registry |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) that;' what you get for your membership fee |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) instead of a PIN, assign a domain |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) butwill the names be free? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) they have to be free |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:12) no |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:13) for use as identification for voting |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:13) they should cost as much as a domain |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:13) no, sotiris, they should not. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:13) why not? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:13) how much does a domain cost? from $0 to $100+ |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:13) because that eliminates millions of people who wish to participate |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) how do you know they wish to participate? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) if they request participation, they wish to participate |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) that they care? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) who is requesting? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) My proposal was a small membership fee and in return, to encourage signup, a 3rd level icann.org domain |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) so far, it seems that at least 158,000 people cared enough |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:14) as far as i know, most of thoe requesting are registrants of domains |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) i bet each of them were domain registrants |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) they said about 50% |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) there were many who did not have domains from countries where individuals are not allowed to obtain them |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) oh really? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) or geeks who have no need for oen |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) one |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) China, where the process was slow or difficult. Japan, where in was not possible |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:15) everyone can register a domainoutside their own country |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:16) if they can afford the price |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:16) millions cannot |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:16) whoever said it had to be free? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:16) Oh yes, american registrars and Verisign love that! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:16) procedural bullshit! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:18) independent people?!?! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:18) ha! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:18) that's rich |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:18) "broad based consensus"? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:18) fiduciary argument |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:19) another load |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:20) he didn't like Wilkinson flexing the Euro muscles. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:20) what agreement of the community? what community? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:20) no methodology and no substantiation |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:20) yes |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:22) procedure is the only way to get legitimacy |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:22) i agree |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:22) Is the NAIS there representing its report? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:22) get rid of procedure and you're left with caprice |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:22) As is demonstrated by the efforts to strip the idno of procedure:) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:23) true |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:26) How long's the break before the DNSO GA? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:27) not long |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:27) the ga was scheduled fr 8 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:27) already half hour past that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:27) ben? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:28) Are you staying on? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:28) of ourse |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:28) course |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:28) i wouldn't miss this |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:28) Becca, are you now able to resolve www.idno.org? |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:28) this fits with my working day I just loose half my screen with non office stuff |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:29) time for coffe though |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:29) she's going to use both url's |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:29) coffee |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:29) good idea |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:30) yeah, I'll take a little break too. |
| <Becca> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:34) Joop, I still cannot resolve www.idno.org. The server times out. |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:35) hi |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:36) Hey Joanna ! |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:36) hi :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:36) Evening Joanna. You're out far beyond the crash, yes? |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:37) did I miss anything? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:37) business as usual |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:37) yes Judith, we are in nassau |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:37) Good. |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:38) I don't care what they say - it was no accident |
| <BenEdelman> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:39) Folks, the GA session is now in progress. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:39) Agreed. Sabotage isn't supposed to look like sabotage. Duh. |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:39) hey Ben we are paying attention... |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:40) i am back |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:40) hi jo |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:40) hi ss! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:40) Becca, just go with including both url's |
| <Gimble> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:40) who is talking? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:41) mention tht the hermesnetwork url is a mirror for the statement |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:41) Chair of the GA, Danny Younger |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:41) Danny Younger |
| <Gimble> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:41) thx |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:43) Roeland? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:43) sounds like his post |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:47) hi joop! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:49) hi joanna |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:50) did you see this? this is a great project |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:50) yes, Danny asked me to do Arabic translations. I'll try to recruit a better person for that. :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:51) We have to treat the secretariat very well. Ursula is good willing. |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:52) is anyone in chat also in the room? |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:52) sounds like 3 people in the room |
| <joannalane> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:53) who paid for the webcast in the end? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:54) who is speaking? |
| <Leah_G> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:54) the new secretariat |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:54) i don't recognize her |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:54) ah |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:58) Ursula, the new DNSO secretary |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Mon, November 12, 2001 at 23:59) She's from South Africa and has a good political/democratic background |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:02) this should be interesting |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:02) David Hernand's presentation on New.net is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:02) ha! |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:03) THXS Rebecca |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:07) ICANN must be really enjoying this |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:09) Danny will take the heat for this |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:09) this is necessary |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:09) my audio is flakey |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:09) what did he say about Karl? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:10) he should be fired for his views, and AT&T kicked out for owning a new.net domain name. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:10) that perhaps because his views differ from staff he should be barred |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:10) :-) |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:10) Should be the other way around |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:10) I like him |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:11) Plus Karl runs the .EWE TLD |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:13) now he's living in a dream world |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:14) his world makes money for him a.f.a.k |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:14) I'm talking abou wanting to reduce mission creep -it isn't going to happen |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:15) Ken Hansen's presentation on .US is available at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/pres/hansen-dotus.html and is linked off the agenda for this meeting. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:19) joanna, with that I agree. Actions scream loudest, nobody believes the lip-service any more |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:22) So .US is now a gTLD |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:22) a ccTLD |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:22) Not any more |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:23) did the community agree to set aside some 2lds? |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:23) Define community |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:24) ineternet community |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:24) They aren't allowed in here |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:24) 'specificallu us internet community, being affected by this |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:25) No one uses .US now - who is going to notice other than local governments who don't care? |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:27) louis touton, loius touton and loius touton |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) lol |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) louis touton even |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) Hi Joanna |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) welcome David |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) Hi Sotiris |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) hello david, nice to meet you finally! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:28) good evening ,david |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:29) Howdy Joop. |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:29) I'm on a phone conference call for NetForum at the same time as taking part on this meeting through videocast :-) |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:30) Same Joanna - real-time chat is much better than e-mail |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:30) who is this asking question? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:30) eung hwi chun |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:31) I think it's Patrick Corliss content sounds right I've never seen or heard him Aus is a big space |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:31) when we type accent is NOT an issue |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) Spelling van be though :-) |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) perhaps the idno needs a chatroom? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) No, I know patrick. His picture is on www.idno.org/whoswho.htm |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) van=can |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) Patrick is not at the meeting |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) sotiris: So we can have real-time flaming :-) |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) Ok then I'll have to ask around to see who is |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) hehehe |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) His accent is AU/Brit |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) at least there's no archve |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:32) lol david |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:33) nto Brit |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:33) sounds Dutch to me |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:33) David: why not.. cuts down on the waiting for email factor |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:33) instant gratification |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:33) Heh |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:34) joanna, Patrick is orginally from England, but has been in AU for 20 years or so |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:34) I thought you were talking about this speaker Leahs |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:34) no :) |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:34) Our IT Manager just popped in and commented what great quality and streaming the video is so well done Ben and Rebecca and co |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:36) Thanks David. |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:38) he just confirmed that a TLD is an *asset* |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:38) yes |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:38) make note |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:38) i keep losing audio - it's not that great |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:38) we ought to add it to dndef |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:39) timed at 00:35 on 11/13/2001 |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:39) David, Ben and becca, in all honesty, I've participated in all the webcasts to-date and this one was the worst |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:39) in terms of continuity |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:39) the image quality is good |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:39) Gimble, I suggest that you try another one of the feeds if you are having difficulty with the one you are listening to. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:39) when there's an image |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) the audio comes in and out |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) and i'm in north america |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) they don't work - i'm on the back-up |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) my feed is good |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) mine has become a lot better |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) it has improved over the course of the meetings |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:40) Okay I am on the primary and having no probs at all. perhaps it is our superior connectiovity in New Zealand :-) |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:41) Sotiris, we have been provided with a very slow internet connection, so I am afraid that it is not as solid as usual. The local hosts in other countries work very hard to provide us with very good connectivity. Perhaps we get a little spoiled! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:41) currently, it's the best it has been |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:41) Unable to play request. Internal stream error. |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:41) rtsp://192.0.34.100/encoder/icann-111201.rm?mode=compact |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:42) which bradley is that |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:42) Becca: you can only work with what you get... |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:42) hehe, good question |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:42) duplicate tlds |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:42) thats thornton |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:43) Both the primary and the backup real media feeds are working properly. Any problem with them is either on the user end or due to the slowness of the connection. |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:43) hehehe |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:44) it is him - his voice patter match |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:45) I'm almost only person at work so I get to hog most of 100Mb/sec pipe to myself :-) |
| <Becca> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:45) The primary windows media feed may require you to upgrade your windows media player. The backup windows media feed is working perfectly. |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:45) Well I've had iffy audio etc. on the Windows Primary but np on the RealMedia and my download is a satNet link |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:46) Does anyone know offhand what the agenda topics for the GA meeting are? |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:46) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/archive/agenda-ga-111201.html |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:46) Nice to have a face for Danny |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:47) Thanks Cheryl |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:47) ;-) |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:47) Becca, this is not up to the usual standard |
| <Gimble> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:47) User error, my foot |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:49) Looking at the Neustar ppt presentation it is occuring to me that with the increase in US patrioism post Sept 11, there could be a far greater demand for .us than previously thought |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:49) absolutely |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:49) Will be interesting to se how it is marketed |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:49) this is the fits time that the GA meeting has actually addressed a topic in depth |
| <CherylLangdon-Orr> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:51) in .au our SME's find a market advantage in the (regulated) cctld for the .com.au and .net.au as we discovered recently in our new names review |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:54) This topic is very pertinent as I found out that one can not get a response to quite legitimate issues such as what powers does ICANN have over a constituency |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:56) or what powers constituencies have in ICANN... |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:57) yes, I noticed that David. Stuart Lynn's position is "ICANN is not a legal enforcing organization" |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:58) it seems to apply to internal procedures as well as external |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:58) WHich would hold true if constituencies were external to ICANN but when they are internal that is an agreement I find hard to find credible |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:58) agreed |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 00:59) it's only accountable to DoC who will not get into internal procedures |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:02) hey, how about the idno statement??? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:02) what about the ido statement? |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:02) Anyone know if many attended in person? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:02) Bloody.............. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:02) Danny |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:02) We only sent one instead of three this time due to changed agenda |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:03) We have been betrayed, again. We could have given the statement to a number of people who are there. |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:03) Did Danny forget to ask for it or was it covered earlier? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) Danny ignored it. |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) no we couldn't Joop - but let's not jump too conclusions - talk to Danny first |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) No, it was on the agenda as the next point!! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) that's bull joanna |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) it is on the agenda! |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) pay off |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:04) no he didn't Sotiris |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) Danny cannot be bought - hear what he has to say first - maybe he didn't get access to email |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) that's bullshit |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) well you don't know that Sotiris |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) He put it on the agenda. The URL is there, at least |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) I keep losing audio/video |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) frustrating |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:05) big deal |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) I know I sent it - but don't forget WXW sabotaged it |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) I have no idea what happened |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) just in caser you didn't send it, i sent it myself |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) O.K. folks, I must go again in person next time. |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) to whom? |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) to webamster |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) Could I suggest we don't suggest impure motives against people when this is an archived channel |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:06) wemaster |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:07) david is right. But an explanation is needed. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:07) yeah right |
| <joannalane> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:07) sorry David, you are right |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:07) I'm disgusted |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:08) and greatly saddened |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:08) I've dealt with enough defamation suits in the last year to never want to be around another :-) |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:08) anyone else lose feed? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:09) David, you ain't seen nuthin' yet... |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:09) But in which country will you sue Joop? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:09) ejh, as you said, this is an archived channel |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:10) Anyway SHortland Street in now on TV so I will depart to numb my brain some more. |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:10) goodnight/day to all |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:10) is it compulsory watching for parliamentary assistants? |
| <JosephLee> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:10) Hi |
| <DavidFarrar> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:10) When one is working late it is :-) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:10) G'night sotiris |
| <SotirisSotiropoulos> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:11) I'm going to bed, I'm deeply saddened by the whole thing |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:11) G'night all |
| <Leah_G> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:12) i've lost the feed so don't know if it is still going on or not |
| <JosephLee> (Tue, November 13, 2001 at 01:12) I just joined. am I too late? I just received the invitatin ... |
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