| Nickname - Message |
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| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:47) Good morningm, folks. We'll begin in just a couple more minutes. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:50) Good day everyone |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:52) Good Day, Morning, Evening, etc. to all |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:52) No feed here, we're still waiting, right? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:53) The feed has been up for 15+ minutes. What link is giving you problems? |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:53) I am recieving a picture |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:53) let me try to reconnect |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:53) i have no audio or video |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:53) push play again |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:54) I am connected using the primary link |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:54) ok, i got it now, had to reconnect |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:55) Hi Judith, Leah, etc... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:55) Hi Kristy :) |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:56) hey - I wish I could wear a wrinkled t-shirt to host a meeting!! |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 11:56) brb - back in a minute |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:01) did they just say they aren't going to let TLD applicants make their 3-min. presentations on Wed? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:01) hi everyone |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:01) ??? Marcia |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:01) Keven??? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:02) sounds like they already know what the plan is |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:02) Did Gaetano just change the Wed. schedule? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:02) I heard it in surround sound |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:02) I'm still downloading RP :( unprepared |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:02) Touton said yesterday in court that Commerce makes the decision, not the Board ... ? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:03) okay, so they've now changed it to a computer presentation instead of a live presentation? Is that right? |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:04) I believe that a discussion on tld's will be scheduled for today at 11:00 |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:04) Tomorrow live presentations with computer assistance will be allowed |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:04) thank heavens for the scribe!! |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:04) lol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:04) I agree - my sound card doesn't work |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:11) so tommorow is the new tld presentations? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:11) It appears so... |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:12) I believe that there is still a chance for today, although Gaetano believes this to be out of order |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:12) Is anyone else having video/audio problems? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:12) big time |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:12) audio is not workin |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:12) Ben, any idea what's wrong? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:14) started out well enough, but died quickly--bigger than expected audience? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:14) who is she? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:14) Not bigger I think than Yokahama (we had more folks on the real-time discussion, I think) |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:15) I believe she is a committee member of the business constituency |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:18) who's that speaking? |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:18) I believe he is a rep from the gtld constituency |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:19) Chuck Gomes? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:19) the guy in the red shirt? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:19) Chuck. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:19) yeah, that's our buddy Chuck from domain-policy@internic |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:28) man its quiet |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:28) yep |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:29) ewww I just got net congestion - silence |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:29) The hotel phone system keeps disconnecting our phone connection by which we transmit audio to Cambridge for encoding there. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:29) We hope to get this straightened out at lunch, at the latest. |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:30) thanks Ben, much appreciated |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:30) (who's paid off the hotel switchboard?) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:30) lol Judith |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:31) my feed seems just fine...but seems buffered/delayed? Scribe sometimes precedes video. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:31) we had plenty of consensus on the ORSC appendix to wg-b |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:31) i've lost scribe completely |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:31) mine's very shaky |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:31) I've lost scribe too. John, if you're a quick typist, what are we missing? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:32) milton is discussing the presence of sunrise provisions in each application... |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:32) concerns about no tlds in which free expression is a fundamental value... |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:32) no wonder they cut me off... i've been such a vocal opponent! |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:32) udrp review issues.. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:33) ..and demanding that marcia's feed be turned on. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:33) hehehe |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:33) now he is discussing registry operator diversity (i.e. why should NSI run all the new ones too) |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:35) Crowd them in their like sheep |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:36) go mike go |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:36) they had over 900 pre registrations |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:36) mike palage, complaining the room is too small for his, um, constituency |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:36) and looking at heavy ordinence |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:37) you mean no name hoarding? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:37) "multilingual cybersquatting for dummies" |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:37) geez, the few scribed notes I'm getting are nothing like what's been said here |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:38) i am so curious how the .web will playout |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:38) with lawsuits or what not |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:39) It may be interesting, for sure |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:39) .biz, too |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:40) Did anybody understand them? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:40) Who is this guy talking? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:41) looks like a guy with a script to read thats it |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:41) John, re Palage comment, that would Mike's registrar constituency or Mike's trademark constituency? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:42) Leah, no name hoard |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:42) i'm only half listening and half working |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:42) ing on the part of whom, registrars? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:42) who is that in the red shirt? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:42) Judith, yeah, like NSI not releasing names |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:43) i hope NSI is scredded in court |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:43) I'm guessing but I think he's the new asian board member. Is that Aurbach on the right of him? |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:43) Gosh, this forum is more interesting than the webcast. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:44) it always is |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:44) hehe, wait for the public comment period |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:44) and does anyone know who is speaking? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:44) does Aurbacj have his ICQ open? We could ask him... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:44) Has anybody checked to see if his lips are moving? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:45) hahaha |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:45) ????? yada yada yada lol |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:46) So that's Marilyn Cade. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) duh, election, of course |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) Who's that? |
| <RayFassett> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) hello everyone - anything exciting as yet? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) like watching grass grow |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) ...or paint dry |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) i second leah's comment |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:47) Judith, you see a Marilyn Cade? I see a big grey splotch... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:48) Hi Ray. No, the usual lies, disinformaiton and utter confusion. Right now they're talking about General Assembly and Major Apathy. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:48) okay picture's back |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:48) we are just waiting for the meat and potatos, no fluff part of meeting |
| <RayFassett> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:48) I can't get the audio/video...maybe that's a good thing |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:48) No one willing to go on record that GA needs to be babysat by the NC -- ooops, spoke too soon, who is that NC person who wants to keep the bib (gag?) on the GA? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:48) yeah, you tend to want to use it as a dart board |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:49) Florida democracy only |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:49) careful rs ;) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:49) working together? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:49) "Server has reached its capacity and can serve no more streams. Please try again later." |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:49) that was an oxymoron |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:50) ... or just a moron ... (who was that masked man?) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:50) commercial constituancy, Judith |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:50) I got the overcapacity message too and had to use the secondary server |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:50) Ah, Sheppard. Gotcha. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:50) WTF are they actually trying to figure out? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:50) whether GA should vote for chair |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:51) by the memberhsip |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:51) as opposed to what? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:51) That NC is "democracy", direct elections aren't. Florida redux. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:51) NC choosing chair |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:51) hell they may as wel they cose EVERYTHING ELSE |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:51) yep, that's the typical scenario of all of ICANN |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:52) Lack of representation is an understatement. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:52) (How does the GA differ from the At Large?) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:53) not by much, except that it is a disenfranchised part of the DNSO |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:53) GA is part of DNSO, @large is all of ICANN |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:53) Is this meeting more interesting in person? Worth driving an hour to? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:53) dotcoms, might be |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:53) Driving an hour? probably ... flying cross country ... I don't know ... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) you get to see whos' there and maybe speak to them |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) Yes and no. The meeting is dull as dust. The real action happens in the bar. It's great fun to see who drinks with who. That's where you figure out all the relationships. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) mingle after meetings and maybe speak during public comments |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) If I weren't on the east coast I would *definitely* be there |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) me too |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) ditto Marcia, Leah |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:54) is today the best day to be there? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) with prepared statements, even |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) does he see his shadow? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) tomorrow is icann general meeting - public comments |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) may have to go... |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) but then I'll miss all THIS fun! |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) ooohhh Crispy! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) tomorrow is best |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) take a laptop DotCom |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) DotCom take your laptop and keep up updated |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) bull crap! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) Who's speaking now? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) Crispy, Judith |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) don't have one... pathetic eh? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:55) Kent Crispin |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) Ken |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) He's a major point of failure on the net |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) (Hi everyone) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) Yes, Ken, it is a MAJOR CHANGE |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) hey there Bob :) |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) go milton go |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:56) go Milton, go! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:57) http://www.dnso.com/when/ |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:57) I don't show a speaker |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:57) Milton Mueller |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:58) shall we vote? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:58) Who suggested the motion? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:58) How about the remote participants??? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) Ben?? yell at them, k? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) Good question - Ben? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) man this meeting needs some action like a "board member brawl" or soemthing |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) you'll see that on Thursday - at least verbally |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) lost aud/vid feeed |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) can not hear or see |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 12:59) buzz buzz |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) in this corner "Krazy Karl" .... lol |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) Majority for GA vote, but not unanimous so it has to go to a maillist vote. Gimme a break. |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) man can u say digiatl florida online lol |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) well, GA includes all of the SO's |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) Mariyn wants dialogue, stroking Kent's comments. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) Sure. One guy can derail everythng. Feed is back but had to reconnect. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:00) Is that Marilyn? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) yep |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) yeah... manson |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) ooof |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) ah. we'll always have Paris. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) bull! |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) SOUND |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:01) whose the bearded guy talking now |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) harald |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) just curious. How many here are for the motion? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) to elect the chair? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) for GA to elect its own chair? Me. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) me too |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) For Marilyn and Kent to get a room? Me. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:02) strong majority != consensus. Great. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) for the GA to elect it's own chair? Me! |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) majority rules! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) "A majority among people that could afford to go to LA" |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) or live there (and we know what THEY are like) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) oh, go ahead, Gaetano, make it formal. |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) hey whatch it ;-p |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) hey now! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) HEY, I used to live in LA. (But I left) |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:03) watch this... SIEG... |
| <AlexanderSvensson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) I seem to have missed the ccTLD presentation -- was there anything about their "Resolution on ccTLD representation to the ICANN Board"? |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) I live in So. Cal, grew up in LA, I can say it |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) aww, they didn't do it.... |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) you can check out but you can never leave |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) where in LA do you live? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) la born and raised |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) I lived in Orange County for 20 years |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) In Ventura County now |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) hey DOT Anaheim area here |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) I lived in Long Beach & Orange County for 9 years |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) The "Valley" - fer sure fer sure ;-p |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:04) east or west of PCH :-) |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:05) Yorba Linda!!! woo hoo! |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:05) No, Thousand Oaks |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:05) Fountain Valley, Costa Mesa and Santa Ana |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:05) Torrance, Redondo and Palos Verdes. |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:05) Ok then, we have concensus, we all know what WE are like; WE are THEY |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:06) Surfs Up dude! :-) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:06) oh, for sure |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:06) who cares how they are nominated, isn't the important thing who WINS? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:07) heh. my sons still ilve there - they surf I don't |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:07) Ben, any reason why remote participants' votes don't count? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:07) what? not enough surf on the great lakes? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:07) becuase they know we will mess it all up for them |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:07) remarkably non-responsive audiene this time |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:07) Feels like we're locked in the kid's room |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:08) DotCom, I think anyone there in person who isn't IP or Biz feels the same way ... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:08) who f'ing cares. the dnso has no power, the NC has it all and that's all rigged by big business |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:08) anyone here actually at the meeting? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:08) go dave! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:09) Who's he? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:10) yes, who is that? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:10) "Defined membership" = IP |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:10) dave johnson? DC lawyer. Good guy. |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:10) I can't recognize anyone--too blurry/jerky |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:11) whose the french babe? Elizabeth? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:12) That was Peek! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:13) ...for some definition of "bad" |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:13) more crap |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:13) is peek good or bad? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:13) Are Kent & Co. not taking up a good amount of time? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:14) put it this way, Kevin. The SOs do NOT represent most of the internet. That's the problem |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:14) body else seems to want to talk. how is the attendance? It's very quiet for an icann meeting? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:14) anti-phone establishment, but pro ICANN ... in a category all its own ... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:15) voting registry |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:16) Joe?? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:16) things could get lively |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:16) hello Leah - nice to see you here. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:16) likewise |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:16) not many people here. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:17) hi joe. how's peterboro? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:17) i'm not in peterburgers today - i'm in lindsay |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:17) you went out? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:17) Good Mercedes wrecking yard in Lindsay :-) |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:18) hahaha, yeah, did you see yourshadow joe? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:18) mercedes and watches |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:18) these days it's watches and mercedes |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:18) joe, somebody appears to have overdosed the audience with valium |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:19) kent's aftershave |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:19) and how many are large icann members. |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:19) I think they're hammered |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:19) see my remote hand waving? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:19) it's like that - most of the times - it only gets bouncy when twomey visits |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:19) hahaha. .NU did it, NSI copies now Icann has to deal with it, caught offguard. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:20) every reply to a chinese domain name? The fact that it splits the net seems irrelevant. |
| <Mike> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:20) baptista: how much for a submariner? |
| <AlexanderSvensson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:20) There was a German press report that the ccTLDs think about getting board seats -- does nobody have any details on that? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:21) that's interesting - they should in fact have some representation. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:21) you don't want a sub. They're crap. About $2300 US though. The movemets are fragile, the Tudors are much better, you can actually get PARTS for them unlike Rolex |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:21) oh yeah and do they show the date? |
| <AlexanderSvensson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:22) there seems to have been talk about replacing the 4 current interim @l-directors by cctld people, but i have no confirm. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:22) so who from berkman is monitoring today |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:22) Ben |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:22) oh - OK no fruit cocktail talk then. it's against the rules |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:23) the cctlds are screwed. recently released letetrs from Mike Roberts shows they are asked to do all the work AND pay icann and get what in return? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:23) kentcrispin.web |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:23) rs, nada |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:23) ah, time for the scare tactics. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:23) Does Kent have a permanent seat by the mike? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:23) hehe, seems like it |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:24) ooohhhh he disappeared. :) |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:24) kent has a permanent annouce system up his a*s is more likely. That boy has alot riding on icann. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:24) IDNO is here |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:24) That's me alrigt. Forever with a doubt. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) for the people in the kids room |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) kids room? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) they have daycare? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) kiddie zoo |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) Its a long story Judith - and how are you my dear - anything new in multilingual - still have not done the zone on that - apparently non of it is in the zone. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) that room is on BBC-2 |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:25) (sarcasm -- our votes don't count) |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:26) Hi Joop - how are ya |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:26) BBC 2 is showing a documentary on cheetahs right now. "Behowld the cheetah, it's an amazing anumal..." |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:26) this sooooooo slow |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:26) Am stupidly allowing my blood pressure to soar ... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:26) Yeah, from the FIRST one in Berlin... |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:27) when the blood pressure goes up Judith - it's a clear sign to go out an laught. Not worth the strokes later in life |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:27) Here we go, guys |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:27) true that |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:27) Hi Joao, very frustrating connection here |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:27) yes, "let's move on and not resolve more things, since we havn't resolved anytjing so far". My god this gives new meaning to "lip service". |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:27) what the problem joop - sow connection? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) Hey Joop. They're about to ignore you again. This is Richard. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) Gaetano, get the hint ... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) the server appears to be overloaded from here |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) ok, I'll settled for puzzled ... its a start ... |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) richard - are you in la or bannok |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) bannokburn |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:28) Hi Richard, let's see |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:29) i got the same thing maybe ben can update us on the servers |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:29) Hmmm...I am on Mars...the scenary is much better :-) |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:29) I have very little interest in what these guys do any more. I'm just watching with a car wreck mwentality. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:29) Gary Burton? The Rock star? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:29) same here |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:29) uh oh "personaities". Hey, and I'm not even on the list. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Who's speaking now? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) i barely bother to come - did know all the fun people were here |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) WOW...some else from MARS? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Gary Burton, Judith |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) my feed gets cut off all the time |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Greg Burton |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Mine too, Joop. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Mars? 128N 128W. |
| <anon163> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) does anyone know when they will be discussin the new TLD's? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) applyatlarge.com |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Sorry |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) Greg |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) 128N 128E |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:30) So that's Greg. Gotcha. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:31) ah. TC? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:31) They already have an individual's constituency. It's called "At Large." |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:31) At large is not part of DNSO |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:31) Should have called it "At Medium" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:31) Leah, maybe it should be ... Rob, cute. |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) Jon is not here |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) DNSO should have the ind constituancy also |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) Or... At Least |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) at last |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) Ha! |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) but the GA is made up of all SO's plus those who regster for GA |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:32) Maybe we should have an ICANN trivia game...as in OW |
| <anon163> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:33) InportsExports.com there is a secret word in there. InportSEXports.com can i have opinions |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:34) 6 people on Mars today... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:34) heh. Ok, I'll go first. Which 3 letter company paid the most to form/control ICANN? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) IBM? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) ibm |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) USA? |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) Not ATT |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) bingo, 5 points. want a 10 point question |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) you get the prize leah - your first. |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) MCI |
| <anon163> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) have they chosen the new registra for the .web? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) tks, Joe |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) KGB |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) I second the MCI but would say world comm |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) the KGB is no this inneficiant. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:35) I wish fleming was here. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:36) why, Joe? |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:36) MCI just got hit with $3.5 million in slamming fees |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:36) he is here |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:36) "giving the floor to Kent". Hasn't he sublet it by now. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:36) i've never seen him play on irc - i consider him a bit of an ascii artist - his messages you know are somewhat artisitic - in a funny literary and technical way |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:37) He should carry his own mike |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:37) "You don't have to be an individual". True. Brian Reid's cat voted. |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:37) This is painful |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:37) no not yet |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:37) |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) Was the last meeting this slow |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) painful or boring to the max |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) CTL-K gives colore...this is the same chat that CNN uses |
| <anon163> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) ok thanks |
| <anon165> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) CNN streams so fast you can hardly read it |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) Painful? This is normal. Is this your fist ICANN meting. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) geez louise |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) Then make the ind constituancy, more open |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:38) Has anybody given a report on where the IDNO noe stands? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:39) I like her - she was at the last meeting |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:39) Yes to first |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:39) ah, a RICH individual. |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:39) what's wrong with being a speculator??? |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:40) she just lumped the terms cybersquatter with speculator. Any stock market investor is a speculator! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:41) DotComs, maybe its just politically more expedient to dismiss the argument before it arises, even though I agree with you from a practical standpoint. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:42) P&G is both |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:42) squatter and speculator |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:42) Kent risks grievous payback in "what goes around comes around"-ville |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:43) Who is this guy talking to the camera? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:43) Roland Meyer |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:44) Judith, but such tactics, while expedient, give validity to wrong assumptions |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:44) AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:45) DotComs, such is the danger of politics overall ... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:45) ahhhhhh what? |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:45) yep I know, just boils my blood |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:45) roland. oy |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:46) hahahahahahahaha |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:46) Can't someone spill something on her? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:46) What does Marilyn Cade mean? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:47) I'll have to get my cat to decode her speech |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:47) (just so she looks slightly less smug) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:47) Roberty means: That means some kind of figleaf.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:48) who's speaking now? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:49) dave johnson |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:50) harold looks like he needs a drink - a big stiffner in the old english tradition |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:52) ls -l bin |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:52) sorry wrong screen |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:53) sure, as long as he has th last word |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:53) aw, come on! |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:53) it's very closed |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:53) It occurs to me, as much as so many detest the IP Consitutency, perhaps despite or over its protests, someone ought to lobby for a Speculator's Constituency. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:54) Unbelievable how Kent now uses his infiltration of the NCDNHC as an argument of general openness! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:54) it's in the bylaws. And if K*nt is unable to have the last word, Crocker get's it instead. |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:54) Juidith, yes, but would that name go over? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:54) It might do well (at least in numbers joining) because of it. |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:55) ok, let's do it |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:55) you can't have speculators without confused consumers, so I want a confusedconsumers constituency |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:55) go to Florida then :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:55) rs79, that would have to be lead by Kent ... you don't want that ... |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:56) speculatiors might be a confusing name since so many of the participants in other consitiuencies participate... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:56) Yes, Judith. Kent is everywhere. He also hosts the IP constituency. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:56) DotComs, I wonder what would happen if masses of Afternic and GD members pushed for t hose companies to help establish this group. Just thinking out loud. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:56) yeah, and that's why he doesn't want an indiv. const. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:56) no challenges |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:57) and he wrote the @large activation scripts |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:57) makes sense |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:57) So basically its the Kent and Marilyn show. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:57) they didn't work |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:57) looks like it, Judith |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:57) and, Richard, he controls the voting in the ncdnhc |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:58) yes, K*nt abd Marilyn call pretty much all the shots. |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:58) Judith, it will happen eventually |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:58) WE ARE |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:59) Judith - the problem, evidenced in the high non-response rate to UDRPs, is apathy on the part of speculators. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:59) oh yeah, we NEED more mailing lists |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 13:59) spectatulators |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:00) this should be good |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:00) Ben, why are comments being ignored? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:00) go Professor Froomkin |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:01) For anyone who is having difficulty getting a video feed, please try each of the streams. Some of them are full and others still have feeds available. |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:01) YAY!! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:01) oh Micahel. you've left yourself open to the "stability of the internet" argument |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:02) http://personal.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/icann.pdf |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:03) yes |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:03) thanks JD |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:03) welcome |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:04) Good girl! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:04) and it was full of lies. I'm thinking... liesicanntoldme.com |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:04) Yes, Ellen is one of the best |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:04) where is the documenation to back of the reviews in the staff report? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:05) and extended their own stay |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:05) Ellen gets applause - first applause since meeting opened, yes? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:06) YAY!!! clap, clap, clap |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:06) More Ellen, less Ken |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:06) more Ellen less Ken ... good mantra ... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:06) go ellen go |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:07) Ken S is all about Ken S and his position is his tool for personal benefit |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:07) Did anyone verify how Roberty interpreted the straw poll on the idno constituency? |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:07) Yes, first applause |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:07) has stubby spoken today? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:07) It wasn't on the IDNO, but an indiv. const, Joop |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:08) but it was positive that it needs to be considered |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:08) yes, Leah, lets be united, though |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:08) valium |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:08) hello again everyone |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:08) I'm just reporting the meeting, Joop |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:08) what did I miss? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) http://www.law.wayne.edu/weinberg/dnso_review.htm |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) I mean, he said "some" favoured one, few 2, and "many" abstentions |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) ie, Ambler IOD can pick .dogmeat or something |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) .loser maybe |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) who is speaking now? (can't see) |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) It was 42 for an ind const, 2 against and 10 abstentions |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) dave crocker |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:09) rs79, you're opposed to IOD getting .web? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) should have guessed that one |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) huh? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) so we have our crispy-crockett |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) Kent joined the equal applause association. |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) .web whos for? press 1 against press 2 |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) 1 |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) Marcia I think rs was saying that seems to be what "they" want .web to do. |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:10) 1 |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) (iod) |
| <anon173> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) in my opinion i think that the .web will be on the same scale in 1 year as the .com |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) 1 |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) http://personal.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/boardsquat.htm |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) 1 |
| <MichaelRelton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) 1 |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) i am just curious how the ruling for the current registry will end up |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:11) 1 |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) I liked that intro : I am an Individual Domain Name Owner |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) out of luck and start from scratch? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) you go Hope ... |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) 1 |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) http://personal.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/boardsquat2.htm |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) good points she raised there |
| <Marcia> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) anybody else keep getting disconnected? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:12) it is all this way for window dressing, these decisions were made long ago IMO |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) yup |
| <Marcia> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) i agree, JD |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) yep |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) yep, seems that way to me too, JD |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) yup |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) I can't support any new tlds until the IP issue is clarified; more tlds=more lawsuits; why do you guys think we need .web? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) I agree |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) nuther good one |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) sure feels that way reading the reports on the applications |
| <Marcia> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) let me take a vote, who here thinks the selection of the new TLDs is fair and impartial? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) open the name space - nix UDRP |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) not me |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) not me |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) ICANN must go or have drastic change, we would be far better of with the DOC at least there is a checks and balances and a place of appeal |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) not me |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:13) not me |
| <JonathanRogers> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:14) not I |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:14) nope |
| <Marcia> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:14) ICANN Board Members please comment on our informal vote.... |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:14) no fairness it is a slap in the face |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:15) brb |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:15) and they cut out the consultation period |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:15) how can ICANN be party to awarding tld's when some companies oiperate the same ones in an alternative root? I think that makes them liable for litigation |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:15) yup |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:15) The TLD application process reminds me of Tendering for Contracts in the Middle East... |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:15) The selection process was mediocre until they started the initial review. Then it fell apart. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:16) looks like 3 minutes for TLD discussion as well |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:17) I can see the applicants now...practicing with a stopwatch... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:17) I think they allowed 10 minutes |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:17) They might give more time just to appease them but what will change? |
| <Marcia> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:17) legally, they can't |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:17) It's Greg Kinnear!! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) Who was that? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) Craig Simon made a good point |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) Simon |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) Yes, Why did we vote for new directors and they can't vote how silly and corrupt |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) yep |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) Applause (resounding) |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:18) but it was only a cosmetic vote |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:19) clap clap |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:19) Not for nothing, just postpone it. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:19) And they promised in 1998 to allow a vote for 9 directors yet they changed the bylaws without any due process |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:19) Bullsh*t ... not "paid for nothing" ... just postpone it, like from the 16th to the 17th! |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:19) what?? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:19) Roberto is spreading FUD now |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:20) That supports the idea that the board members themselves are being bought! |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:20) second |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:20) Why did we elect new board members if they can't vote c"mon |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:20) go Rony |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:20) vote? only the big business interests have a vote |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:21) was that ellen rony |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:22) urm, how can they approve all operationally and technically correct applications when there are multiple applications for same gtld? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:22) ... is Marilyn looking slightly less smug? maybe just slightly? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:22) she doesn't like the challenge |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:22) good ... waiting for her to break a sweat ... |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) 2. When there are mutually exclusive applications for the same top-level domain name, use the following rules to resolve conflicts: |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) Select the applicant organization that is not alreadydesignates a registry which is not already a registry for top-level domains in the ICANN-administered root; and |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) Avoid giving contested top-level domains in the first round to organizations or consortiums that represent more than 40% market share of the existing market for registry or registrar services in the .com, .net, |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) These statement should have been handled in Yokohama |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) .com, .net, and .org top-level domains. |
| <anon173> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) i point also, if new gTLD's come in and then 4 months down the line some more new gTLD's come out then there is no value at all on the first gTLD's that were brought out such as the .web |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:23) if they fail, they fail |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:24) since when is ICANN supposed to control business practices? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:24) their possible success or failure should not be an issue |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:24) yes yes yes! |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:24) yes what? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:24) The market will decide |
| <anon173> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) i agree |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) anon, the issue is not supposed to be the value of the names |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) .tv guy -- yes yes yes! |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) .tv is something they should look at with their outrageous fess |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) fees |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) nothing wrong with their fees really |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) thousands a year! |
| <anon173> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) u mean to reg a .tv? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) if they didn't sell at those rates - speculators would |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:25) yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) Damn, this thing is picking up! |
| <anon173> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) is that a bad thing? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) whatever the market can bear. Tuvalu benefits |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) so it going to the registry that paid millions seems equitable to me |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) you pay big money to lease with all types of things hanginf over your head scary |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) not necessarily, safesys |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) you can't afford - you don't buy |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:26) seems a traditional business thing to me |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:27) true however only the wealthy get to participate don't you agree |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:27) hey the new baord members will be seated in when a year? |
| <anon173> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:27) i agree |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:27) the .tv comment was left all the way out of the scribe notes...? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:27) strange huh? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:27) redundant |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) he better speed his comments up - 30secs fast approaching... |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) doesn't .tv have enough? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) Ben, who's handling the scribe notes? |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) i believe new board members are seated on thursday evening |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) good girl. They really messed with IOD |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) they should interupt him every 5 seconds to inform him how much time he has remaining |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) lol |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:28) heh |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:29) hehehe |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:29) yep |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:29) WOW Crocker thinks GA resolutions have "an effect" |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:29) easy for HIM to say |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:29) Yes |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:30) I've lost video feed - have to reinstall RP - dang! |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) the scribe is clairvoyant |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) i was thinking that |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) that's what it is... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) just lost feed |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) i have 2 audio feeds running and they are 20 secs apart... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) re-buffereing |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:31) now ay is it "real time" |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) no video |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) i cant video at all |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) me either |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) mine's trying to ... nope, it gave up |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) network problems...lost mine too. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) I agree with Matt |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) lost mine |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) i switched to audio only |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) lost connections are all together too coincidental ... |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) next time let's get cnn to cover |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) not on that poing, though |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) it does seem that way... |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) darn! |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) "point" |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:32) want that vote! |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:33) is it down for good till next part of meeting ? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:33) I got mine back. |
| <MichaelRelton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:33) video is back |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:33) mine too |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:33) there should be no false distinctions among TLD's |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) i'm about to be kicked on ISP conection. will have to come back if it quits |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) Leah I've been kicked three times! |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) do we count? |
| <MichaelRelton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) eye |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) nope |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) we dont' count |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) Cipriano, what do you think? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) about what? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:34) we sure don't - it's becoming more and more obvious |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:35) ***anything*** |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:35) this chat is another cosmetic thing to make us feel part of the process |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:35) I agree |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:35) Sure, easy to say. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:35) Parts of this chat session is supposed to be read aloud at the meeting --- let's see if that happends |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) Ben, I ask again - why remote participants aren't being counted in the vote? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) what BS |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) I have yet to see anyone ask "what do our online attendees say?" |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) what did you expect though? |
| <Leah-TLDlobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) lemme know what the vote is..... |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) #2 was clear |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) this is ICANN - they have an industrial strength bs making machine... |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) Provisions should be made to count remote participants, Marcia. It's not like the on-site meeting is restricted anyway. |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:36) lol safe |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:37) yes, i agree cipriano, but it doesn't mean it's happening |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:37) as a matter of fact, i don't think the physical participants count, either |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:37) yes? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:38) you raised your hand? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:38) (pseudo-vote, just kidding) |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:38) i think we should all chip in and buy him a suit i dont want some chump deciding the internets fate |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:38) lol |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:38) in a t-shirt lol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:38) Kevin, probably too late at this point - that's my opinion |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:39) But I will help take steps to disband or bring ICANN under a series of checks and balances if they follow the course I believe they will |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:39) who cares ill give him my jacket at least we wont have to see his shorts since hes behinda table |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:39) haha |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) resolution #2 carried - decision will wait until applicants can respond to the staff report? will that be before or after the new directors are seated? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) C'mon, at least it's in keeping with the new IT geek dress code |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) where do you work? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) i think someone ought to check to see if the scribe is still alive |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) Independent consultant |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) Judith, please repeat, decision will wait???? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) all the IT professionals up here look NICE |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:40) (University of Notre Dame right now) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:41) Marcia, I'm just observing this thing like you are - resolution carried means they'll it? discuss it? what? I don't know? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:41) ohhh finally - i can hear and see the video!! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:42) dang, I don't know, and I was parlimentarian in high school - too many years ago |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:42) its something for the NC to ignore Judith |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:43) you have to love icann |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:43) ICANN'T |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:43) and we wonder why the udrp is not treated uniformly |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:43) good analysis :) |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) no video, blah |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) hahaha, don't need video to see how funny that is |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) inconsistent, no, I can't believe it! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) Great, tell me he's now going to throw out the vote - and he's going to insult the voters too! |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) do we need to send it to Florida for a recount? |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) i think what they miss is that people want them to make a fair decision is all |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) his problem is that the money he's been paid might get taking back |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:44) okay ICANN, now carry a vote *between* the two choices |
| <safesys> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) and they feel that a fair decision is not likely given the notes made on the applications thus far |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) oops, did I say that out loud? |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) So why did he take a vote? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) i'll see ya all later - my gateway need to be rebooted - and i'll try to find my way back later. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) well, it wasn't THAT LOUD ;) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) Who presented (cock blocked) resolution 4? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) bye Joe |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:45) bye |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) ttfn |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) he doesn't like the vote so he is not going to put it before the board? |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) no, they conflict, Joanna |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) kristy baby - i did know you were here. Good to see. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) are you having fun kristy |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) thanks - sure this is great fun! |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) i know leah |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) but thats what he said |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) I brought part of my home gym into my office to entertain myself |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:46) excellent - cheers |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) I can't believe #1 didn't pass!!!!!!!!! |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) look who's in the room |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) no video |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) who Bob? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) what was 4? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) 2 rather |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) the expense accounts |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:47) Marcia, perhaps one didn't pass because a passed 3 accomplishes (perhaps) #1 - no way everyone can respond to the staff report in one day ... |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:48) I was on the phone... what won? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:48) not to make a decision on the new TDS until applicants respond to report |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:48) Judith, i agree, but still the consensus (i thought) was to have the new board members seated |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:48) Who suggested #4? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:49) Marcia, it is, maybe just not among those in that room ... they didn't count remote participants |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:49) no marcia, new board members don't have to be saeted, butmaybe they will be anyway |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:49) they ***should*** be able to vote |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:49) judith, i agree they should count remote participants |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) I WANT TO BE COUNTED |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) can we sent an email request about this? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) Who else wants to be counted? |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) the board voted not to seat them so the board has to vote to seat them and they won't do it |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) Isn't there another link where you can post comments that will be read at the meeting? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) Marcia, maybe that should be brought up in the general discussions? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) Joanna, use the comment submission form |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) I believe there's an email you can send |
| <blaise> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:50) Joanna: go to http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/ask.asp |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:51) But they are not pay ing attention to the comments |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:51) well i am going to put a comment there...can we formulate one together? |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:51) how many people here want to vote |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:52) comment on the need to keep up with our comments |
| <DotComs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:52) Anybody have a pager number for someone in the room? Page them, tell them we are here |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:52) Might be easier to ask who doesn't |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:52) I do: Im here today so that I can be counted |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:52) I just voted on the submission form and stated that as a remote participant I wanted my vote counted |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:52) i cant count people who dont respond. |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) lost audio and video again |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) I'm countable, just getting kicked off the server |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) my connection to the server is gone again |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) I lost the feed now also. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) Joanna are you in the room? |
| <anon166> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) i lost my feed too |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) wyes |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) someone must have something important they are saving now |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:53) physically |
| <anon166> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) do you guys hear a dial tone? |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) no marcia...i am in ny |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) dial tone? |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) yes, we have dial tone |
| <lizwhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) yes |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) and busy signal...this is bs |
| <anon166> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) ringing |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) ringing |
| <anon166> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) what the hell |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) my line quality just tested 44 |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) ROFLMA |
| <anon166> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) did you hear that |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) we have receptionist answering at Marriot |
| <anon166> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:54) i heard the marriott answer the phone |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) I don't hear anything... |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) feed is back |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) Burton's comment - is it passed or a suggestion or what> |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) "the link you have may be outdated" on video |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) me too |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) yeah, you weren't there to make the inside deals, Leah |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:55) well this session was to have ended at noon their time...that's about when we lost the feed. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) I still have video |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) good point Dena |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) I'm hearing nothing, seeing nothing but this forum |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) Someone send Real some money |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) Is their headquarters sitll in the Twin CIties? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) mine's back |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) well, someone tell me, why did the scribed notes go from a suggestion by Burton the DNSO review? |
| <MichaelRelton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) video is back |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) my video & audio is back |
| <Jean-MichelBecar> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:56) II don't have any video :-( |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:57) had to refresh the link page and then reconnect to the video feed |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:57) V.C. we already voted in the GA on this |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:57) ok, sound, lights and Froomkin |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) Michael Froomkin is speaking? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) ] |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) yes |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) wow |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) WONDERFUL - !!! |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) good goin Michael! |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) They look scared :) |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) accountability - a rare species |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) As a remote participant, I want it duly noted that I stand behind Michael Froomkin and his beliefs. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:58) ditto |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:59) Yes, yes, yes...... |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 14:59) clap, cla[ |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:00) FYI: http://www.net-speed.com/Times.html |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:00) yes, yes |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) "ask Congress to investigate and stop ICANN from harming internet" |
| <rajnishsharma> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) yes |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) i agree Bob |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) sophistry |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) then the board can select the runners up in the elections also |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) I've asked them - they're meeting tomorrow |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) I think I should be appointed chief internet governance justice |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:01) CDT's Davidson has been quoted misinforming the public in the press, and now he's sabotaging legitimate efforts. What's wrong with this picture? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:02) see url |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:02) at least she didn't spell her name again |
| <anon246> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:02) there is 3 mins left and no one is talking AAHHHHHH |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:05) congress is |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:07) For the record, I have voted on both sets of resolutions, by use of the Comment Submission Form. |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:07) good idea judith, but he didnt read the resolution and i missed it |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:08) what resolution? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:08) They haven't mentioned any of the comments via submission form today, have they? |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:08) Judith, I did too |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:09) John, fyi, there are two sets of resolutions that a number of us have voted on by using the online comments form. We have not been counted. |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:09) Names council next? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:09) Where can I find what my connection trouble prevented me from learning about today's stuff? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:09) oh, really, what have we been voting on? |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:10) Rev. Jesse Jackson is outside marching in opposition to the vote.....phrasing was confusing |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:10) Whether to postpone the new TLD decision until (a) the new board members are seated and (b) until the applicants have had a chance to respond to the Staff Report. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:10) What time does the next meeting start? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:10) oh, okay, well, I'm all in favor of that |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:11) And whether to remove the board squatters now, or wait a year (CDT's Davidson made this proposal. It passed.() |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:11) John, there have been resolutions regarding whether TLD apps should be allowed to respond before decisions are made |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:11) where is everyone, are they on break? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:12) I think this is a one hour break. |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:12) yeah, lunch |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:12) They just broke for lunch. I'm disgusted. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:12) That and hungry -- see you in an hour |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:12) oh, okay, I'm getting a smoke... so are the board squatters in for a year or not? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:12) not sure |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:13) i am not about anything...the feed is so poor |
| <JoannaLane> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:13) sure |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:13) john, there has not been a vote. This was the GA. Next is names council |
| <Leah2> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:14) the report will be read to NC and they can choose or not to recommend to the board |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:14) okay, i'm going out for a smoke... I'll let you know when i'm back |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:15) me, too |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:15) I'll try to come bacl later. Thanks for providing a dose of reality to these proceedings, folks! |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:15) and a sandwich |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:15) back in an hour |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:15) welcome :) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:17) This stuff keeps crashing my system! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:18) Can anyone summarize the best point Michael made? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:19) hello? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:19) Hi Marcia, I'm here. Have you read what Michael wrote about it? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:19) no, my system crashed |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:22) Marcia, what's your email address? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:23) marcialynn@att.net |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:24) did they break for lunch? I have no scribed notes, either... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:25) do you work for AT&T? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:25) no |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:26) at&t is my ISP |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:26) OK. email sent as we speak. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:26) thanks, i'll go read it.....brb |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:28) hey guys anything happen in last 20 minutes had to run back to the car |
| <anon246> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:29) JapansOnline.com any opinions? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:30) thanks, Judith, I've read this before...I've followed Michael for a little while now, and have even sent and rec'd emails from him in the last couple of days to the magnitude of ICANNs upcoming decision... |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:31) [regarding the magnitude] |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:31) whats the topic? sorry to jump in |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:31) at the meeting or in the email? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:32) the magintude or anything significant in last 20 minutes of meting |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:33) I meant the magnitude of Thursday's (tentative) decision regarding new TLDs |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:34) ahhh what time is that meeting at? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:34) I'm VERY happy Michael Froomkin is at this meeting - he is the voice of reason |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:34) I'm back |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:35) i take it there's a break |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:35) Kevin, we'll there's public forum tomorrow, then the board meeting Fri... |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:36) It wasn't clear of the decision would be made Friday |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:37) [if the decision] |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:37) my opinion - it's already been made |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:37) i think icann will create another fiasco |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) in whatever they do |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) they already have----- |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) board squatting |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) rewriting bylaws |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) allowing afilias in |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) ken stubbs |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) arthur anderson's firm handling the review |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) etc |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:38) etc |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:39) etc |
| <anon246> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:39) k |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:39) rs, lunch. supposed to be back shortly, I think. Schedule calls for 1300 PST |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:40) Sure. My prediction is: .eu goes to the EU in exchange for the EU guys on the board and EU acceptance of ICANN (That was hard fought). .WEB will go to anybody exept Amber/IOD. CORE will get one and so will Affilias. Dat's it. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:40) ICANN's biggest mistake (if they make it) will be awarding .web to anyone but IOD |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:40) so the law suits will begin... but they won't decide this week anyway... |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:41) at least won't be announced... betcha... |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:41) And for $50,000 (the application fee) they ***should*** be working with the applicants, not summarily dismissing them because they're not in favor with Ken or Arthur. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:41) bet they say they will allow new tld's but not which ones |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:41) i am just amazed that all IOD's work would get tossed down the drain and stollen from them |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:42) It better not be, Kevin |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:42) Kevin, what else would you expect from this board? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:42) The big boys have the bucks and rule the decisions |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:43) bingo |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:43) Well, that kind of behavior is never tolerated for long....it'll be the end of ICANN |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:43) i expect IOD to run up and body slam board members, then call in some of them pro wrestler guys |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:43) besides, ICANN is NOT making the final decision, DoC is and they are paid for also |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:44) Kevin, he's too smart for that. He'll see them in court...bet me |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:44) no, Chris Ambler seems rather calm. I suggested he approach each and every board member at this meeting, and he said he wouldn't! |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:44) He's been a perfect gentleman, but he's not silent |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:44) Agreed |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:44) Gee, I don't think I could be that nice if .web were my registry I'd worked for over 4 years. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:45) approaching individual board members would be a big mistake. It would smack of collusion |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:45) Oh, except for Ken and Arthur... |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:45) It's not NICE, Marcia. It's just fact. Nothing about this is right, fair, or maybe even legal |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:46) However, unless it is tested, it will be what it will be. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:46) True... |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:46) Wanna go to court? :) |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:46) That's where the challenges will have to take place. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:46) Depends on for what :) |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:47) And as far as TLDs are concerned, the challenge has to be with DoC, and name ICANN as contributory |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:47) CA law for the board members |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:47) and membership questions |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:47) Federal for DoC |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:47) No, a district court is suing ICANN directly now |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:47) in Missouri |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:48) won't fly |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:48) are you talking about ESI? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:48) couldn't get the injunction |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:48) no,,, let me go find the reference, brb |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:48) k |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:49) the .biz/.ebiz/.bz thing is an utter loser |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:49) yup |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:50) what about when it comes to a company running .biz or another tld in an alternative root? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:50) Leah, you're right, it was ESI |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:50) JD, what about it? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:51) I have .BIZ in the ORSC root |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:51) whats with the horrible music |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:51) rs, who has .home? Anycast? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:51) http://support.open-rsc.org |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:51) If ICANN picks a TLD and awards it to a company other than the one running it in an alternative root don't you think that is a strong case |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:52) remains to be seen |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:52) I think it is much stronger than the litigation with .bz and so forth |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:52) you would think so |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:53) I think ICANN knows this that is why they decided to ask for Idemnification |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:53) Hey if they can get away with it they will try |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:53) of course |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:53) Yee haw. Hoedown time. WTF?!? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:53) I have no sound...sounds like a blessing right now |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:54) music is pretty bad |
| <JohnGraham> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:54) I have some music. When is the meeting going to start? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:54) supposed to be now |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:54) 1300 PST |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:55) they broke late, so will probably start late |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:55) The company running .earth has no ionterest in the iCANN root and has stated that he will defend his rights, it sdays a lot |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:55) I have no interest in applying to ICANN |
| <JohnGraham> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:55) Anyone here from Image Online? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:56) I would rather see ours included like ccTLDs |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:56) If ISP's would come aboard the alternate others would follow |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:56) yep, so let yours know |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:57) I have always thought that if Microsoft wanted to they could make it happen right from the time you buy your computer |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:57) I am for that [alternate roots] if ICANN decides as predicted... |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:58) I think it is adns.net the .earth people they are slowly building up |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:58) Try "augmented internet" |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:58) you see, they are not really an alternative |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:58) just more |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:58) juast a different road to get to the same place |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:58) Leah - I like that term! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) the "A-internet" |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) the "rest of the internet" |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) go to http://www.youcann.org |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) or youcann.here |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) We'll start in approximately three minutes. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) thanks, Ben |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 15:59) Folks, note that we've got greatly expanded video server capacity. (More than 4x as many streams.) |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:00) I'm logging in after reviewing scribe's notes from first meeting. Anybody know the outcome of the vote on resolutions in earlier meeting? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:00) that's really cool, Ben. Thanks! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:00) Leah, thank you for that link |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:00) welcome, Marcia. Spread it around, okay? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:00) Thanks Ben, but can you fix the RealPlayer I downloaded for this meeting? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:01) I've installed it twice and I'm still getting "in use by another system" error |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:01) Quasar.net hosts domains |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:01) I will Leah |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:01) they resolve to the ORSC rootzone |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:03) Leah,just posted it in the ICANN public forum - I hope others will visit and read |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:04) "Are you now, or have you ever been....?" |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:05) errr verisign! |
| <JohnGraham> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:06) .web too |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:06) No conflicts from Ken then |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:06) is your scribe working |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:06) mine isn't |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:06) it figures during this important exchange |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) I agree |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) is someone speaking? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) i have no video |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) no, just ken |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) 'oh, doesn't count |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) lol |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) John, are you in the room? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) let's review alleged conflict of interests |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) not enough space here |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) in detail |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) run out of log space |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:07) We need a recount on resolution #1 since most people had left the room! |
| <CraigNewell> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:08) Hi Joop |
| <JohnGraham> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:08) Gee I wonder if Ken (Afilias) gets .web? |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:08) 70-2="something close to 70" |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:08) hello Joe, Judith,Craig |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:09) ICANN math |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:09) I'm hoping tomorrow shows a better turnout - there's only 216 people from around the world following this remotely! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:09) What's happenin? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:09) Must be uninformed... |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:09) Of course, I'm representing at least 500 close friends, associates, and relatives... |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:09) Mr Stubbs has the Monopoly board so covered that even when he loses he still wins |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) yes, JD, that's evident |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) and unfortunate |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) and WRONG |
| <CraigNewell> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) I'm gonna go. No need to be in chat if I'm in the audience |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) Hello everyone, what have I missed so far? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) Craig we coulud use your input |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) the best years of my life |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) What I can't get is this type of behavior has been going on so long and we all know it yet how does it get changed |
| <CraigNewell> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:10) for? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) Stubbs ought to be carefull ...he has left his hand tipped for too long. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) I think they all feel above the law |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) We should all post messages on the comment submission board saying we need the scribe so we can participate. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) Craig: Identification of speakers, tone, etc. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) if you'd like to help ;) |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) I understand that Mike Roberts dismissed such allegations |
| <CraigNewell> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:11) ok sure |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) Thankyou very much Craig |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) Where's the scribe notes? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) I have no scribe notes, does anyone? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) What fund is this for? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) gone since then there is no record to use later |
| <anon189> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) nope, no scribe and no video |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) hahaha |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:12) I hope you're joking |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) video/audio feed seems to be working nicely here. Ken Stubb's is speeking right now. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) I love the way they discuss other business which could be done anytime and brush off the meaning for being here |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) note that the ccTLD's still refuse to be invoiced |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) I have video, just no scribe |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) Ken is speaking about what? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) budget! |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) OK, there it is. |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) scribe just started |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) just got C & B of notes |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:13) it all should be public every part of ICANN |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) Sorry about the scribe's notes, folks. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) JD I agree |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) Network connectivity cause the scribe-to-irc program to go down. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) There is no national security risk LOL |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) and I failed to bring it back up. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) ok Ben |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) Keep reminding us about things like this if you see similar problems... |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) Thanks, Ben. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:14) Thank you Ben, I will. :) |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:15) I want to know why it is ok for Mr Stubbs to be involved in appliacations when he has a position in ICANN , even if it was just janitor deserves explaination |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:15) is this donation fund to support icanns legal fees? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:15) lol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:16) no, it's to cover the devaluation of all the hoarded .coms by NSI after introduction of .web |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:16) ;0 |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:16) someone wrote on the PC board that power corruptes and absolute power corrupts absolutely |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:16) Instead of recusing themselves, shouldn't those with conflicts be excusing themselves? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:17) Jeffrey, they should be doing both - hahaha |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:17) no shame whatsover because they have gotten away with questionable things all along |
| <anon189> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:17) what was that? accusing themselves? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:17) right, and they believe it can continue |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:17) anon189 that was good |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:17) yes technically a director or memeber in conflict should decclare and leave the room |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:18) Stubbs is similiar to the Florida Secretary of State, a Bush campaign director, ruling on Florida recounts. Bias is wrong in both cases. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:18) http://personal.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/icann.pdf this is the guideline for those taking up the call for change, get it to the media lawyers and politicans |
| <CraigNewell> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:18) lol Alex |
| <CraigNewell> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:19) brb |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:19) they are worrying about who pays for webcasts what about everyones 50,000 being wasted |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:20) smouuuuuuuuuuuuuuch |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:20) truly ... |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:20) they only give 3 minutesd to each applicant yet they waste time with stuff that they can handle any other time |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:21) It's nonsense |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:21) i'm back |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:21) Responsibility for "election"? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:21) Hi Richard |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:22) how come this guys 5 minutes to say what I caould say in 1? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:22) ...this guys takes ... |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:22) he's like that |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:22) I type like he talks |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:22) hi joop |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:22) that's 5 minutes more for applicants |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:23) he is a motivational speaker |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:23) lol |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:23) hmm, the primary feed tells me "I dont have enough bandwith of CPU", the backup one gives me very por audio, backups 2 and 3 give no video but good audio. Sheesh. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:23) im running 384 ram and it tried to tell me I didn't have enough memory LOL |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) can y'all see Touton sitting in the first row grinning? (that bald head is Touton, yes?) |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) which one |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) to the right in green |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) near right side of screen |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) judith: You thinking about the guy with the bow-tie? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) Robert Gaetano is actuall one of the good people in all this. You'd never gues and he's definiely on "their" side, but he WILL listen, he will talk and he is open to rational discussion which few of them are. He's a nice guy to boot. I can work with him unlike almost all other hard line icanners. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) is that Profssor Froomkin? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:24) bow tie is froomkin, right? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:25) I'm talking about the head flowing above the desk or whatever, at right |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:25) a piano OLL |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:25) lol |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:25) the image quality I receive is so poor that the bow-tie wearer could even be Andy Müller-Maguhn. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:25) the quality during Yokahama was terrific |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:26) Blame Los Nettos |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:26) It's run by the same folk at USC |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:27) Roberto is a good politician. That means he can talk and listen. But you never know where he really stands. I'm afraid he still maintains his old ties to CORE |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:27) FDDI ring around L.A. - MAE-LA |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:27) there's not much left of CORE. Nah, Gaetano is ok. Javier is not but mercifully he's gone it seems. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:28) Javier was a foot soldier. He overdid his duty. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:28) Doncha love how 66 people vote and that's it. 66 random people are the decision making body for the whole internet. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:28) Is this stubby? |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:28) seems so |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:29) yup |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:29) you could resigm, Ken. |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:29) and quickly |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:30) ah, the online question submission form is at |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:30) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/ask.asp |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:31) ICANN has no interest in coming clean, their hisory proves that and nothing changes. Mark my words after Mr Stubbs gets his way on applications he will retire from ICANN citing he is busy. That means he used his position to set himself up |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:31) Are those sitting at the table receiving the same feed and watching on their own screens? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:32) I think so |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:32) ..answer for caroline... you provide for applicant responses the same way you hand-count 4 million votes within the next 17 minutes |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:32) lol John |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) I don't think anyone meant a 4 or 5 minutes verbal response to the staff report ... I think they meant an indeapt |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) The way time is allocated, Roberto is not impartial |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) Jeff, the NC reps at the table are presumably taking their own notes on the meeting or reviewing relevant documents. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) an indepth written response. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) I wouldn't think they're watching the webcast. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) is aurbach on the board or not? I havn't heard squat out of him which is unusual |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:33) karl is not on yet |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:34) rs79 they are not seated until after the meertings and the vote, how convienent |
| <JeanPolly> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:34) why haven't they seated the new Board members yet?? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:34) so they can't vote on tlds |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:34) I can this stand, who to appeal to that is the problem and why ICANN keeps breaking the rules |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) the by-laws say they aren't seated until the machine comes to a full stop |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) Karl won't be seated until after the Thursday meeting, rs |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) but they changed the by-laws with no due process and they promised the DOC this wouldn;t happen |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) my god, are they still re-iterating the same topic of constituency membership proofs? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) true, JD |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) ICANN oversight is the department of commerce. Who do nothing and agree with whatever ICANN does. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) so much for promises |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:35) Commerce needs ICANN as a beard. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) I don't know what you mean by "due process" - the Board has the power to amend the by-laws, period |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) why are they so scared of lawsuits |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) they are already screwed |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) my point is there are so many smart ,influential people who know of all this but nothing is getting done ,someone or a group must file suit or something |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) have the money, JD? |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) And complain to congress. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) not every problem is a legal problem - lawsuits are horribly inefficient ways of getting anything done |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:36) you need standing and an action. ICANN hasn't actually DONE anything yet |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) Pick up the phone and call you congressional rep. Its free! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) That's right, hired assassins are much more efficient |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) Alex, and tell them what, exactly? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) pardon my use of due process I think I meant to say that the people were not represented in that process and to boot they did promise DOC that they wouldn't do such a thing |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) ...unless you are in Missouri, then you need a ouija board |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) lol |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) I met with the Top Aide to a Senator! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:37) Again the NC and the "staff" will determine Bylaw changes |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:38) and, JD? |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:38) did you have to do him "favours" |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:38) what happened? |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:38) Tell them that ICANN has violated the administrative Procedures Act (see Froomkin article), and that we need congressional investigation/oversight to make sure the process is fair. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:39) I think Aurbach Froomkin and Mueller are running with that. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:39) It was only last week and the immediate concern was the short time frame but you would be surprised how many people don't know of ICANN and what is going on and that is why ICANN has done the things thay have thus far |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:39) I suppose were Congress *deluged* with copies of Froomkin's paper from hundreds or even tens of thousands of people, maybe it would make a dent, maybe |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:39) now there's a thought |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:39) Judith, good point. Its a numbers game. |
| <anon189> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:40) where can I find froomkin's paper? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:40) They don't like unhappy voters. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:40) I guess when a relative of a member of Congress has a big problem will it take on a follow through attitude LOL |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:40) www.law.tm |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:40) Congress will soon adjourn for this term, and they have some other things going on at the moment |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:42) Yes, but we have an angle: ICANN vote and Presidential vote are the 2 pressing issues. One is internet, the other political, but the same issues are involved! |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:42) long way? what has actually happened in 18 mos? |
| <anon189> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:43) contact your rep http://www.house.gov/writerep/ |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:43) Getting people to understand that internet governance is a broader issue even than national governance, is difficult at best ... I'm certainly open to strategy suggestions. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:44) "The chair will be lactating at the end of the year" Huh? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:44) vacating... :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:44) lol |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:44) ah |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:44) lol |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:44) phew |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:45) it's stubbs doing the milking |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:45) hope he washes his hands first |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:45) Now they're so concerned about adherence to bylaws? gimme a break |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:46) They could just hold the vote, and NC could (for now) declare that they'll feel bound by a vote performed by GA. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:46) first time for everything. Did the do a public comment period when they gave NSI only one seat on the names council by changing the bylaws |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:46) Bylaws could be changed later. |
| <rs79> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:47) uh, bullshit Ken |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:47) waste time |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:48) just do it that simple a crisi is when youi slant everything against the public |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:49) We've got a great team: Froomkin on legal, reporters like Brock Meeks (MSNBC news), etc. These folks now how to package it. We just have to do the e-mailing/calling to get the word out. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:49) extending the current chair is unnecessary if the NC would in advance acknowledge the choice of the GA |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:49) Alex, we need people like you. check out tldlobby.com |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:49) i have writtewn so may reporters and congress |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:49) you too, JD |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:49) very much so |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:50) Leah, who don't we join forces? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:50) I mean why |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:50) we're not a membership org, Joop. We are mostly informational and promote action |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:51) That makes your life easier. I understand. Same with the DNRC |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:51) We support the efforts of all such orgs, IDNO, DNRC, ADOR... |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:51) , |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:51) . |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:51) . |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:51) IDNO is listed on the site |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:52) Yes, we carry a link to you too. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:52) Leah supports the entire alphabet, in whatever order |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:52) No, Ken, you won't get flamed for that, you'll get flamed for being incompetand and obstructive. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:52) hehe, John |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:52) also PhD? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:53) TLDlobby supports a fair, open interent with protection for individual and small business domain name holders |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:53) don't you love the way these guys spend ALL FEAKING DAY trying to figure out how their organization works. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:53) What's really problematic is they never seem to get it right, Richard. :( |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:54) Beats crying over the budget like they did at Yokohama |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:54) quick question - Jessica Westbroke if i remember is employed by aol - yes? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:54) Bob, that was the Board, not the NC |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:54) What's the difference? |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:54) Hi Joop, I just sent in a question, but none of the 4 so far have been ticked (read out)--are they on screen |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) The NC is part of the DNSO and only makes recommenations to the board |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) does this setup keeps crashing anyone else's system? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) [keep] |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) But look at the special interests on both. Not much difference. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) not mine, Marcia |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) No recommendation on the "constituency" structure |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) I'm a lawyer, and know from experience that we need (1) lawsuits (2) press coverage and (3) congressional pressure. We need ALL 3 to get a fair outcome. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) who's speaking? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:55) it crashed mine twice till I stopped trying to use the primary feed. the #1 backup feed works, but the audio is awful, and the 2 and 3 backups have no video (but great audio) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:56) Alex,I'm helping with #2 and #3 |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:57) Theresa Swineheart, IP wonk from MCI; names council geek |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:57) scribe notes stalled? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:57) dunno, I got kicked again |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:57) :( |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:57) welcome back leah! |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:57) gee, thanks, Bob :) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:58) me too, Leah |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:58) Nice to know I'm welcome |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:58) Of course there is no response from the NC. They don't want to review themselves!! |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:59) MIchael Schneider is cool too. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 16:59) Yes, unexpectedly in Yokohama he supported Review. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:00) YJ makes a devastating point! |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:01) yeah, him and gaetano are the only ethical people that came out of CORE |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:01) I find it hard to understand YJ. Joop: Could you transcribe, at least roughly? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:01) Joop? What? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:01) Summary: they spent all day trying to figure out how their organization works and what everybody is doing. Beaurocracy at it's finest. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:02) yes richard |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:03) Roger Cochetti now speaking. He achiteched ICANN and picked the board. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:03) IBM, now verisign |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:03) I bet he's proud |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:03) I've posted comments on the official board, but ICANN doesn't seem to be paying any attention. Ben, any suggestions? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:04) yes, ben? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:04) I've posted them also |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:04) I've personally seen multiple Board Members reading through the messages on the official comment boards in http://www.icann.org/mbx . |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:04) You're not being ignored. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:04) thank you |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:05) not so much proud as, um, financially advantaged |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:06) Ben, the board you refer to is the comment board, not this chat |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:06) It was my belief that we (as remote participants) would be read also |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:06) are the comments from http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/ask.asp making it into the meeting? Deosn't seem like it. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:06) I agree Richard. Please advise, Ben. |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:07) Ben, is anyone reading the comment submissions ("Ask & Comment" board)? I've posted some comments there, but there are no check marks to indicate that any have been read to the board. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:07) not one comment was read the other day or this morning either |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:07) Dear ICANN; It's "mailing list" not "listserv". Listserv is a product, mailing list is an application/function. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:07) Hi Simon :) |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) Howdy all! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) Hello Simon |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) YJ has now a chance to complain about NC railroading |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) What is YJ's point that is upsetting them so much? I'm having a hard time understanding her. |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) Finally got here huh? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) Ben, I;m taking your silence to mean you're check on the answers to our questions... |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) hehe, Richard, and they are responsible for technical aspects of the internet? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) Yeah, OK Bob. ;-) |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:08) lean back from the gosh darn microphone |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) Hey Sime... how come you're not there? |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) All I'm getting from context is that it's possibly about consensus-building? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) I should be |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) no YJ scribe notes ... |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) nah, more fun here |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) Please, if someone can transcribe, please do so. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) Other stuff in the way |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) Maybe tomorrow |
| <JoeHowe> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) I heard the word business |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:09) Folks, I really can't focus on questrions posed here. I need to concentrate on scribing. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) Is she reading Stubbs or what ... ? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) Ben is the scribe? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) can't you get Molly back Ben ? :-) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) I guess so. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) What worries me is that these guys are going to get strict *AFTER* their terms are over |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) Send me specific questions via email, or attention-messaging (double-click on my name in the participant list in chat). |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:10) When Karl & co come on board |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:11) OH geez... multiple *important* roles and ICANN assigns one person? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:11) I've been the scribe at all ICANN meetings (for the majority of each meeting) since the first meeting in Cambridge in Nov 98. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:11) I guess this chat is being entirely ignored at the meeting then??? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:11) Aways has been |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:11) Ben, I meant no disrepect to you |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) I mean, shouldn't someone be following this chat board, and someone else scribing? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) But there's a permanent record in the chat log |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) What, to read next month? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) Marcia, chat is just logged. If you want to present a comment, you use the comment submission form |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) Or next year |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) No, Ben your group as always deserve kudos for doing the only real work in icann and gving them what little transparency they have |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) For anyone to read. It's archived |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:12) I did. Where is evidence that it's being read? |
| <Bob> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) Tough question... :-( |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) Now? At the meeting? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) If it is read, there is a check mark on the comment. that's the problem. They are not paying attention to the comments from us. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) That's not Ben's fault |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) Give me the link to go for the check marks...??? |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/ask.asp |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/ask.asp |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) I understand it's not Ben's fault. Ben, I do appreciate your scribing... ;) |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:13) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub&classification=Results+of+Review+Questionnaire |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:14) thanks for the link... only one comment was read so far? |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:14) It sounds like Ben is doing 3 jobs at once. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) Ben, you're a trooper ;) |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) only one comment posted during this meeting.. wasn't read though |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) Sure, they teach you that at Harvard :-) |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/showcomments.asp?sort=desc&mode=sub |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) Alex, when and where did you submit that comment? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) none have been read |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) that's for comments at previous meeting... of which none were read either |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) no check marks |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) That is TERRIBLE |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:15) Hi Sean |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) Hi Marcia, LTNS LOL |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) for sure ;) |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) We have a right to participate in the meeting by webcast. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) That's right, that was what was posted |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) I posted 2 separate comments - my votes - and they're not reflected at all. |
| <JohnBerryhill> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) who is yelling at him? |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) The "complete scribe notes" now have a few sentences on YJ's earlier comments. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:16) I posted a comment - my votes - ignored also |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) Right, I want my votes on the resolutions counted. |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) yanno... we could get some publicity if we could only get Leno to do an impression of Stubbs... |
| <anon189> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) FYI: Question directed to IOD on Comment board- I heard that Mr. Ambler isn't on the RTQ board today so that he can pay closer attention to what's goin on |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) What was the response to YJ's charges? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) Could anyone hear the yelled comment? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) RTQ? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) nope |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) Apparently she was appointed chair of the DNSO Review WG. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:17) They said "noted", Judith |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:18) sure, that's how you get rid of trouble makers. Give them a commitee to bog them down. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:18) Hmmm ... |
| <anon189> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:18) Real time Questions aka Comment board. The one being ignored by ICANN |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:18) (She had called for two chairs of the DNSO Review Committee before, because NC gives too much power to the chair.) |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:18) My apologies for lack of Berkman Center participation in the chat. My MIRC disconnected me without me knowing. |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:19) can anyone get to icann.org? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:19) Oh, I think they're acheiving CORE objectives fairly well |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:19) Anon, Chris would not be likely to be posting questions on the remote participants' board. He's there. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:20) Sean, yes no problems |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:20) Sean you need www ...won't work without that |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:20) Hi RNesson, can you check on why none of the submitted comments have been read or counted? |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:20) Yeah, RNesson, we've got faith in you. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:20) We tried to vote this morning and submitted several questions,none of which was paid attention to |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:20) Is anyone else present at the meeting that can find this out? |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:21) Hi Leah, you have not submitted any comments during this session. |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:21) For the morning session, comments will be posted when we do the archive this afternoon. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:21) RNesson ,I have - where are the? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:21) you'd think icann would have figured out by now how to set up an A record for their SLD |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:21) Sorry, I also posted for morning sessoion. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:21) NO. I did so this morning, however, and many of us attempted to vote on resolutions, etc. No comments have been read, not even on Sunday |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:22) As for voting, there is no method for counting the votes of the online audience (nor consensus that it would be a good idea). At this point it is not feasible to count votes because of the slight time delay for online participants and a number of other reasons. Sorry. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:22) Yes, they will be posted, but why have they not been acknowledged or read to the meetings? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:22) RNesson, that is disappointing and frustrating to know... |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:22) Please feel free to submit comments on any of the subjects being discussed during this meeting. Some substantive comments will be read if we have any. All other substantive comments will posted in the archive. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:23) RNesson, when will they be read? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:23) *when* being the key word |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:23) There was much discussion this morning about the small number of people voting or present in LA vs the rest of us. This defeatsthe purpose of attending |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:23) The selection of comments to be read is based upon whether or not they are substantively related to the discussion occurring the room. |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:23) And who are the individuals who decide which comments when? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) Since we all shelled out so much money to NSI in the past, we can't afford plane tickets |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) my first substantive comment is, where does Ken Stubbs find room for all his hats? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) sorry, couldn't resist |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) lol cow! |
| <netmom> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) guffaw! |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) Comments submitted during this session will be read during the public comment period at the end of this session. No comments from the in-room or remote audience will be taken until then. |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) :) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) Comments will be read aloud, RNesson? |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:24) Anyone who would like to submit a comment to be read may submit a comment using the comment submission form. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) I have submitted comment on the DNSO review |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) Hello |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) Some substantive comments will be chosen to be read aloud during the public comment period. I personally will be reading them. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) Don't you love it when they talk about how things effect net users? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) Thanks |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) yeah Leah |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) RNesson, I haven't seen in the previous meetings where *any* comment was read during the comments phase. Why have none been read at any meeting thus far? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:25) and then they proceed to cut them out with IP interests? |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:26) So, comments are chosen by R Nesson? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:26) RNesson, who chooses the comments? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:26) yep, and if we are not happy, he will not be re-elected :-) |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:26) interesting news - Jessica Westbrook just blocked all of pccf.net from emailing aol.com (or net) - this could be entertainment for this week |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) oh my |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) We have received very few comments thus far in these meetings. (Of course, we have only had the GA and part of the NC and the time for the comments in the NC hasn't come yet.) The comments in the morning were not about the topics being discussed, but rather about the role of the online audience, so they were not read. |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) R, as an intellectual property attorney, I would appreciate it if you would read my comments. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) i've lost all aud/vid feed. will try rebooting. back in a bit. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) Well, at least it's a comedy instead of a tragedy like these proceedings, baptista |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) Alex, the comments are chosen based on substance, rather than on author. If your comment applies specifically to a topic being discussed it is more likely to be read aloud. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) RNesson, I voted. That was relevent. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:27) exactly - my point exactly. but remember - these proceeding can be useful to us. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:28) RNesson, I voted as well. Would like my votes noted. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:28) he |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:28) I had comments that wer substantive |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:28) I saw many substantive comments placed this morning... none were read |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:28) hello , Buckey Goldstien here! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:28) Ben, my scribe is frozen again ;( |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:29) Does R Nesson have sole discretion on selection? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:29) okay, there it goes |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:29) daddys girl |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:30) Please read the explanation on the comment submission form about the selection of comments. (I will have to go back to the rest of my webcast duties.) With respect to the votes, as I said before, votes from the online audience are not counted and thus are not read. It is not feasible to count them during the votes and is not an issue up for debate. You will do better to express a substantive comment than to simply express a vote. Please read the explanation text on the comment submis |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:30) Marcia, try getting out of it and getting back in again. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:30) okay, thanks RNesson |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:30) a vote is just as good. it in itself is a substative comment |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:30) What, is Ken smelling his own bad breath? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:30) I haven't had scribe notes since the review title |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:31) i'm stuck on E.. Cochetti's piece |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:31) That guy soooo looks like he doesnt want to be there. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:31) Here we go - F sounds VERY interesting |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:32) silly Stubbs tricks are for HOOKERS!!! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:32) It is not surprising that the existing "constituencies" have not shown much enthousiasm to Review their existing dominance. |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:32) ahh, more scribes notes. :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:32) The old Interin Board has created the DNSO structure. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) It makes no sense that any other body than the Board itself,duly elected, takes responsibility for a new DNSO structure. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) This is almost as fun as Yokohama. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) ALMOST |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) tomorrow it WILL be |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) Tomorrow, I will need a drink. |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) lol |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) :( |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) Has anything you've seen today surprised you, Joop? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) what a waste of time when so many have opaid 50k and need to be heard |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) Where the hell does Stubbs buy his toupees? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) Oh lord, now they'll disregard your comments as those of a drunkard |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:33) rug doctor |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:34) Unfortunately, No, Rob. But I missed about an hour |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:34) He needs more shirts. Let him get it from his ICANN salary. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:34) or when he gets his applications through |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:34) He needs a striped shirt. Black and white. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:34) lol |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:35) lol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:35) hahaha |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:35) within the realm of possibility |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:35) I think you're missing what is supposed to happen here JD. This is the names council meeting. Not the board |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:35) I understand just frustration on my part |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:36) Hey, Stubbs, if you're reading the log of this chat: why don't you steal a girl's box of girl scout cookies, sell them and keep the profits. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:36) That man traded his soul in for a bad toupee. |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:36) he has is arms folded in the diafiant not buying not having any of this pose!! |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:36) is that Chris Ambler? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:36) lol. Don't give him any ideas. |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:36) lol |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) Ambler is a young guy. |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) is lambler Chris Ambler? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) Chris is what, 30? |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) no in this chat |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) no, I'm not |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) that might be his wife |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) i see |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) someone from microsoft, anyway |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) I'm hungry. Who has something to eat? |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:37) playing tidely winks |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:38) he's cpounting the money he imagines LOL |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:38) you mean he *plans* |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:38) Hello Simon |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:38) The Names Council. One partying group. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:38) Hey |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) stubbs is so far in denail he 's in the Suez |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) my audio feed is lost, again |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) Is anyone else having audio/video problems? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) I lost mine and restart Real player |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) no |
| <rajnishsharma> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) no |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) no |
| <netmom> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) no |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) yes |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) judith: periodically i do- have to restart |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:39) no, just scribe |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:40) had to restart to get scribe back |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:40) no messages have been picked to be asked? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:40) NC is insuring its existance by studying itself to death. |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:40) lol |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:40) yes, I left for a bit and came back opening the chat alone first and then the RP and I'm ok so far. |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:40) Who is "Remote Participation Liason" for comments? R Nesson? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:41) The comments I have read really don't apply to the current subjects. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:42) brb |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:43) Next Lous will want a hand recount |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:43) i reconnected with backup 2. |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:44) I am serving as the remote comment liason for this meeting. I may be reading some of the topical comments submitted through the public comment forum. At this point the comments we have received during this session do not seem to be on the topics fo the current meeting. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:45) Thank you for your response, RNesson. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:45) Can you read them out at the next opportunity AoB? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:45) k, folks here we go |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:46) hang on to your hats, or kens |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:46) lol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:46) haha |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:46) This is where they stuck the questions in the applications to force the sunrise and adherence to UDRP |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:46) So 3. gives the IPer's etc. more opportunity to entrench their agendas in ICANN's foundation too. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:47) yep |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:47) couldn't do via working groups, so they used the back door |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:47) just in time Richard |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:47) starting IP rights in new gTLDs |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:47) Regarding the Protection of Intellectual Property Rights in the Rollout of New TLDs: I am opposed to this, as is the SBA and other entities. This is not a function (even remotely) of ICANN or registrars. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:47) yah |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) agreed marcia |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) Marcia, we agree, as do many, but the IP controls ICANN |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) WIPO Gurry |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) and the second speaker is? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) Controlling a rabid animal isn't always good |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) yea Michael! |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) Froomkin? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) NOW where's crocker talking about narrow technical functions |
| <rajnishsharma> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) froomkin |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:48) Oh, it's good, Marcia, but dangerou;s |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:49) Yes. |
| <rajnishsharma> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:49) yes |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:49) agreed |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:49) IF? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:49) It's not so much that the IP lobby controls ICANN, but the IP and the regitrar/registry industry have come to an "understanding". |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:49) Professor Michael Fromkin. Law Professer from Florida who is probably the best informed and most articulate ICANN critic. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) very true Joop |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) Joop, it's not adopted yet, just look at the disclaimer on Register.com's site |
| <rajnishsharma> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) that's right |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) While we are on the IP protection topic - can someone explain to me, please, why a domain which is explicitly intended to be used for individual names ... |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) Yes, if the registrars do what the IPers want, then the IPers won't bankrupt them and wreak havoc on their databases. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) Yes, Joop, under pressure |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) Comment posted-- protection of HUMAN RIGHTS cf IP rights |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:50) Ben, my scribe is frozen again |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) ... can reasonably exclude certain trademarks and "dictionary words" (what languae?) from registration. |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) Why shouldn't mr. McDonalds take that domain? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) That's Gurry, eh? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) IF the IP'ers get their way, there would be no new tlds. Or any old ones either. Or any domains, just IP addresses. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) I hate Gurry. |
| <rajnishsharma> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) mine scribe frozen at A. |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) bbiab |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:51) what a prig |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:52) Total abuse of even TM law, where monopolization is not allowed |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:52) _r, there should not be any reason to prevent Mr. McDonald from having that name. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:52) agreed leah |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:52) WIPO reflects raw power |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:52) I've never met Gurry, he might be an ok guy, but in these proceednigs he is unquestionably a dangerous lunatic behaving is a most weasel like manner. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:52) WIPO is a wipee board for justice |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) you mean SWIPO, Marcia? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) yeah leah |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) WIPO-Suction. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) hahaha |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) Those who SUCK your domain away. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) hahahahahaha |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) god forbid anybody do a viaga parody site |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) WIPO-MY-ASS |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) now, now Roger |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) WIPO-suction I love it!!!!! |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) ; ) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:53) the term, not the procedure, mind you |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:54) the strange thing is, that WIPO was a perfectly allright treaty organization before Domain Names stareted to be registered |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:54) http://www.nokiagirls.com |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:54) He sounds like he has a UDRP up his %$# |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) What happened to it then, Joop? How did it go off the rails? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) Ben, my scribe is still frozen |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) I would love to go to a cocktail party and dunk his F-ing head in the punch-bowl |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) and despite that 100 years of cooperation they still havn't agreed on a global trademark scheme but see a glimmer of hope getting one through dns |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) the punch-bowl filled with scorpians. |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) Hi Marcia, it may be that your scribe |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) The IP lobby behind it saw a tremendous opportunity to extend IP rights. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:55) I think living in Geneva is punishment enough. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:56) yes, RN? |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:56) 's notes are not frozen. THey are only updated when Ben presses the enter key. If he is writing a particularly long paragraph it takes a little bit of time between updates. |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:56) (sorry for the broken response) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:56) Well, then we need a faster typist ( no offense Ben) |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:56) By that you mean IP rights for the few, as opposed to the many, Joop? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:56) Rnesson are you Charlie Nesson? |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:57) RNesson, the comment board is referencing "Business Plan". If I make an IP comment, will it be read? |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:57) Richard, I am the daughter of Charlie Nesson, a 3rd year law student at Harvard, and a Student Affiliate of the Berkman Center. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:57) what viagra |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:58) lambler-is that lisa? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:58) So now they have to protect diabetics from injesting URLs |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:58) Well, theoretically allTM owners could profit from such a power grab. In reality, it is only the powerful, rich and aggressive ones. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:58) Kewl. Say hi to your dad for me. Tell him we miss his puttig ICANN on the spot like he did at the introductary meeting. One of the alltime great ICANN memories. |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:58) Alex, I cannot promise that I will read any particular comment, and I am unlikely to read more than one comment by any single person. However, I am looking forward to receiving some topical comments in through the comment submission system. |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:58) you didn't know charlie had a daughter. its not impossible to make those. |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) yes, it's Lisa but I do not speak in any official capacity of IOD. |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) R, fair enough. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) RN, is there no chance to read a comment about DNSO review any more? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) who is Lisa? |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) Lisa, my best to you and Chris. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) Make sure he keeps after them. |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) thank you. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 17:59) : ) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:00) Lisa, his wife? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:00) what about right of parody? |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:00) yes, the silent partner. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:00) I hope Michael gets equal time ... |
| <netmom> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:00) WHY are they focusing on pharmeceuticals of al things? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:01) boomers on drugs... go figure |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:01) :-) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:01) Lisa, I am "sunshine" on the comment boards... Chris is familiar with me. I, although a Tucows reseller, am fully behind his being awarded .web |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:01) cause the pharmos got cybersquetted and are bitching for relief |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:01) just want that noted |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:01) SWIPO |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) dibs on tetrahydrocanibidiol.web |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) what are these people discussing? |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) nice to meet you. I've seen your posts. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) drugs |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) lol rich |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) .web??? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) what is tetrahydrocanibidiol in Japanese? Better grab that one too. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) greek richard |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:02) there's a .web? |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) Actually, it's interesting to look at Gurry's rationale. What's done currently is not to trademark these beasts, |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) ..., so everyone can use them internationally. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) it's tetrahydrocannibinol |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) latin actually |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) That is, nobody gets exclusive rights on these drug names. |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) TJ, you're joking, right? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) ah, thanks for the correction. |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) Obviously, that rationale doesn't apply at all to internet domains. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:03) nope, sp istetrahydrocannabinol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) Lisa, will Chris be making a 5-minute presentation at 1:30 tomorrow? I asked on the boards and he didn't answer...Many are interested to know. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) man that beard doesn't work for him |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) I'm new to this |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) I;m sorry, 3-minute |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) well, there is a war raging for who will get .web. |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) R Nesson re gatekeeper role-- please note both my comments were directly relevant to topics at time of sending (Report part of meeting, then IP) but I have only been a barrister for 20 years |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) is this froomkin? |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) i wanted to know what it was about |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) simon: yes |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:04) Richard, it sorta looks like something to dust the house with, like a whisk broom? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) thanks |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) .web has been around for 5 years. The "powers that be" refuse to recognize it. |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) Mr. Ambler isn't monitoring the comment board today so that he can pay closer attention to what's going on |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) That's okay, though. He's super |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) i think they should have a .sex |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) Lisa, I dont blame him. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) I sent it yesterday, asking if he would be making a presentation Wed. |
| <TJ13> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) and keep ALL OF the porn there |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:05) But, if you go to http://support.open-rsc.org and follow the directions then you can see http://lighting.faq and can send mail to me at richard@tangled.web |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:06) I would guess that he will but I don't have an official answer. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:06) one can only hope....;) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:06) I like Michael's jab about partisan politics |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:07) Please refer to Order of Court of ICANN Governance http://www.worldcourt4humanrights.com/icanngovorder.html and www.humanrights.com.au |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:07) Bravo!!!! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:08) I saw that Len, but what authority/relevance does that "court" have? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:08) There are too few people in this process that stand up for fundamental legal principles. Bravo Michael. |
| <lambler> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:08) gotta go. I'm sure I will see you all again tomorrow |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:08) bye lisa |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) bye Lisa |
| <RogerKeating> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) Bye lisa |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) take care |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) just returned... Is this Froomkin? |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) yes |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) ICANN: I stand behind Michael Froomkin, and I am personally representing over 500 friends, associates, and relatives... |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) cool |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:09) Thanksgiving is gonna be fun at your house next week, eh Marcia? ::duck:: |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:10) lol |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:10) eating crab legs at my sisters, hehehe |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:10) duck? I thought it was supposed to be turkery |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:10) badda bing |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:10) Marcia, hi, more "authority" than ICANN since it is based on and applying long-standing internationally-agreed Human Rights standards and protocols--- and relevance? are you kidding? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:10) it was no accident |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:11) Good one, Michael! He's soooo good at this. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:11) I hope it is a legitimate body, I am note familiar with it. I only read that link a day ago in the public forum. Do you have a link where I can learn more about the entity? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:11) yes but they ignore him anyway |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:11) [not familiar] |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:12) Of course, Richard. IT's only good in the sense that it's in the record. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:12) they'll adopt WIPO II by administrative fiat - you just watch |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:12) Of course they will, and ruin people |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:12) as usual |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:13) nuther good one :) |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:13) good one froomkin |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:13) yeah :) |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:13) built in bias |
| <AlexFloum> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:13) RNesson, are my comments on point? |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:14) More info at http://www.worldcourt4humanrights.com/faq.html-- it certainly has more "legitimacy" than ICANN which is not only self-appointed but has not agreed to be bound by international human rights law-- think of it as a "default" court system like "default" net settings |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:14) I agree with Richard's pessimism. And then it may go further with WIPO III--content policing. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:15) much worse, Joop, it their proposals are acted upon |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:15) RNesson, did you get that comment I just sent? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:15) not one name will be safe |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:15) NO! I worked on some of the ICANN proposaks and I can tell you with great authority that they picked the UDRP because it thought it'd increase their chances. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:16) Richard, why don't you post a comment to that effect |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:16) That's what Michael said too. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:16) yeah, he did |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:16) depends on nature... good one |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:16) well hey, al tlds aren't created equally. .bank and .silly are worlds apart |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:17) Richard: The applicant's were as much as told it was a requirement, no? |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:17) Yes Marcia, your comment was received in the comment submission system. |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:17) you haven't been to my bank |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:17) Thank you RNesson. The subject was wrong, but I noted it in the body. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:17) they were asked to explai their IP protecttion mechanism. Not "if they have one" but "what is it" |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:18) exactly |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:18) Nobody wanted to run the risk of saying "we don't have one" if everybody else said "we use the UDRP" |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:18) Right, and that's fairly obvious |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:18) By the way, many of the most knowledgeable IP lawyers are not speaking up on this because they are all panelists for WIPO and other "approved dispute-resolution providers" |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:18) so it appears to be voluntary but in the real world, with $50K on the line, there was no choice at all |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:19) It was simply part of the process designed to result in being able to say it was registrar consensus to have the measures. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:19) Its a well scripted process. |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:19) certainly appears that way |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) yup, many of the lawyers have been coopted |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) cooped or corrupted? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) that's how ICANN works - divide and coopt |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) Well, they could write less stultifying meetings into the script |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) lol |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) well, they still haven't co-opted the idno :-) |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) ... if they knew how |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:20) Leah, may I ask what a SOHO is? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) Ben, my scribe is stuck again (you said you wanted notified, sorry to repeat) |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) small office/home office |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) I am not clear on the meaning of your comment. |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) small office/home office |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) :) |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) What is she talking about? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) RNesson, who's comment? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) no bloody idea |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:21) The privacy issue bothers me. SOHO's having to publish home addresses is dangerous for families and individuals. Besides, why should we have to provide process servers with that info easily. Do it by court order. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:22) bingo |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:22) tell froomkin |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:22) SOHO is small office/home office |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:22) Thank you Leah and Francis. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:22) Well Leah, use a PO Box |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:22) I do, now. but I have to publish the phone number w hich can be cross referenced |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) Basically same as with phone company - there is always the choice to be unlisted, law enforcement can obtain info if necessary. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) Oh, THAT looks professional. "Very big company inc, P.O. Box xxx..." Not. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) I don't worry about this. I have a gun. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) Yes, law enforcement can. but it is not published in the phone book |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) Equating trademark law enforcement activity with criminal law enforcement activity is absurd. But that's what they want. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) I got spammed, junk mailed and phoned by verio cuz I show up in whois |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) Richard, there are more and more of them |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:23) Leah, that's what I said, the choice to be unlisted. |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:24) a SOHO is not a very big company |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:24) Yes, Judith, but that is what they do not want. They want a "thick" registry |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:24) none the less, on the internet it might look like it... until you see PO Box |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:24) I think tech contact is plenty |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:24) "think" registry - accessible by all, yes? |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) correction: thick |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) Ben, Imy scribe is *still * stuck |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) yes |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) My scribe is stuck too. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) yes, that's waht they want |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) me too |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) my scribe is stuck as well |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) ditto |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) and mine |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) IRC Scribe was broken. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) Fixed. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) Ben, hit the return key |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) Thanks, folks. |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) mine too, btw |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) (No, Marcia, that wasn't it!) |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) :-) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) I';m sorry, my age is showing: the enter key |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) Would seem to conflict with CPNI ... |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:25) :D |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) what would, Judith? |
| <JeffreySkimming> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) Put your gun away tomorrow sunshine. It could get ugly and you don't want any trouble. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) Jeffrey, I was kidding |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) Ben: You should possibly mention Froomkins' suggestion on limiting access to dispute resolving procedures to those who can obtain a domain in the respective TLD. That's not yet in the Scribe's notes. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) I know TaeBo |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) sorry, kidding again |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) Richard, I've been threatened because of TLdlobby and others |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:26) Back on topic for a moment, the process does not have any consensus among human rights lawyers cf "trademark lawyers" (scribe)-- the "old economy" obsession with property rights and proprietary rights is at odds with the new non-US-centric focus first and foremost on human rights (and the indirect abusive effects of IP "monopoly" protections |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:27) I don't want my address published at all |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:27) leah what are you talking about "treatened" with what |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:27) City is plenty |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:27) Leah, threatened how? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:27) Leah, have you ever been threatened in relation to your TLD lobby work? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:28) Of course, Joop |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:28) what do you mean of course - whats going on. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:28) Ah, so we all share that fate.:-( |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:28) joop what happened to you? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:28) anyone who is an advocate for the "little" guy is going to be threatened |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:29) ABSOLUTELY Leah |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:29) You should not have to make it easy for them to find you |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:29) no one has ever threatened me. more like amused - why do you guys have all the fun. Whats going on - i ant a treatening call today - i'm feeling a little left out here |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:30) I've gotten threatening emails over domain names, but that's the extent of it |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:30) hehe, Okay, Joe, consider yourself threatened. :) |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:30) you old dog |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:30) :) |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:30) I have an vicious bird if anyone shows up at my home |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) I have two pitt bulls |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) Okay, who's the oldest in this room? |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) I have a husband :D |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) Joe, I can tell you in private email... No good to give the bad guys more ideas |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) threaten.web -- your portal for bad toupe's and wise-cracks |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) Marcia, probably me |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) I think it's me, Leah |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:31) threats over domain names - it just blows my mind - the planet is falling apart - the oceans are sewers of filth - the air is poisoned yada yada yada and people are treatening over domains - how pathetic we are as a race. |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) I should shut up before someone comes after me for owning despair.web and amuse.web <g> |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) What was the first album (see, not a CD or tape) you ever bought? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) i understand joop. don't worry it will only make me sad |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) ME? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) speak my mind joe |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) me: Aerosmith Dream On |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) so true baptista |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) More details on threatening or intimidating instances, please (you know that most discrimination law specifically prohibits "victimisation"-- essentially, |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:32) white room, by cream |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) 6 abstentions to a straw poll, lol |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) Marcia, a set of 78 rpm - "Vagabond King" and "Student Prince with mario lanza |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) hi everyone |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) Hi Sri |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) who??????????????????? |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) intimidating behaviour/threatened-behaviour v "whistleblowers") |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) KISS, hotter than hell. lol |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) hi dennis |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) Mario Lanza |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) Never heard of him/her? |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) possible to give a fast update ? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) Hello Sri, did you see the debate this morning? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) See? told you |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:33) you know something - i'm a firm believe that if the people of this planet can manage to take over the dns and bypass this mess - we may actually have a chance to survive and achive our purpose - i would hate to see centuries of philosophy and comedy go up in a poof. |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) in a gasp |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) Okay, Leah, how old is your oldest child? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) Mine: 13 |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) you already know how I feel about that right Joe? |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) But I had in "later in life" |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) [had him] |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) Communications Act continues to require carriers to protect the confidentiality of customer information. Communications Act continues to require carriers to protect the confidentiality of customer information. This is embodied in the FCC's FCC's Customer Proprietary Network Information (CPNI) rules. Why is this different (albeit not under FCC etc.)? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) i know we have the numbers |
| <RNesson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) It would be best to keep the conversation on the topic of the meeting rather than on personal discussions. Thanks, |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:34) marcia, 35 |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:35) ooooooooohhhhhhh, okay...you win. Sorry about the deviation, RNesson...no harm done. |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:35) and now slander so.......... |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:35) and no slander so........ |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) Lawyers in the house? Why not apply CPNI here? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) and don't forget nesson - no fruit cocktail discussions - i remember thatrule form the last irc meeting. I've been thing of drafting a list smeday |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) Well, RNesson, since my video feed isn't working, and my scribe is frozen, I'm really sorry for straying.. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) Anyone seen Whios interim report? |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) nope |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) not yet |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:36) no |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:37) RNESSON, I asked a while ago if comments about DNSO review could still be read at the end of this meeting |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:37) (this I assume is the "secret" whois committee?) |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:37) Marcia: try clicking stop then play. If that doesn't work, close the window then reopen it |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:37) nope, but Rebecca Nesson is speaking now |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:37) by clicking on backup #1. It's the only one that seems to work |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) pretty girl nesson - she needs a new haridue - pull back the hair hair. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) is the scribe still there? |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) yep |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) it's been a bad hair day all around |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) really - weather related? |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) He's not European, but CORE is European... LOL! |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) Well, people, I'm off to work. I'm a graphic design/production manager at a local newspaper and a programmer at my SOHO during the day, whoops, ICANN might not that -they didn't look favorably on the multiple roles of the IOD staff, either. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) And who represents individuals and small business/SOHO |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) ..unfortunately not much of report...? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:38) sunspots Joe |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) see you all tomorrow ;) |
| <MmmCow> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) he's Schmuckepean, isn't he? |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) lol marcia |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) cya M |
| <DeniseNiber> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) lol cow |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) CYA Marcia |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) So, no report. |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) report will finish in couple of weeks |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) my personal email marcialynn@att.net |
| <MarciaArbott> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) good night all |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) it's hard to believe this is all about how we name our computers on a big *private* network |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:39) Hello Dennis, do you know if anyone was able to give an overview of the current status of the IDNO to the GA? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:40) Sorry Joop -- not a clue at this moment. |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:40) hi joop |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:41) Anything good happen today?? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:41) Roeland spoke for a minute. I also gave a presentation to Sue Leader. I don't know if she had a chance to speak |
| <CiprianoGaribay> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:41) It's not really how we name them, but how we want to associate names with numbers |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:42) Hi again , Sri |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:42) Did Roeland address the chairpersonship issue, Joop? |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:42) sorry joop was trying to catch up did not notice frist time |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:43) Any comments on the Sunrise Proposals....DO you think ICANN is will actually use them if they upload new TLDs?? |
| <SeanStallings> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:44) Dunno, but they gave "unfavorable" mentions to those gTLD props that didn't include sunrise |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:44) Roeland talked about personality conflicts, correctly stating that nobody was interested to be a leader. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:44) Did he mention the effort for direct election -- or anyone else maybe? |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:44) TM law cannot be circumvented.... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:45) He did not mention that we had elected representatives, unless he said it when I lost my audio feed. The connection was very congested. |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:45) damned got booted |
| <ballmer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:45) Question: Who win win the .Web TLD? |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:46) Nuts -- Froomkin's motion for the 4 board members to resign made the NY Times. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:46) IOD... |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:46) so you get privacy but you gotta pay for it, and it could still wind up like anon.penet.fi |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:46) Dennis ... really! Got a URL? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:46) Dennis, are you talking about direct election for GA Chair? That was discussed extensively. |
| <ballmer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:46) Was it discussed at the meeting that IOD will win? Someone told me it was Afilias. |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:47) Gary: Don't mix anonymity and privacy. Anonymity is stronger, and that proxy entries are certainly sufficient from a privacy point of view. |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:47) Hi Judith -- nope --- but it was in the Cybertimes section, article by Carl Kaplan |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:47) yeah, Dennis, got it? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:47) I've been a fan of Chris and IOD for as long as he's been around but I think ICANN is going to give .web to somebody else. I'd bet money on it |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:47) The conclusion will look like an informal one, rather than a Bylaw change. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) I think if they do give it to someone else. (dot web) another root will form... |
| <ballmer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) What will happen to my domains I registered with IOD? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) My bet on .web is they won't give it to anyone |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) poof |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) Ken Stubbs will suggest that it goes to Afilias... he is a board member |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) The "Will of the People" must be heard...hehe |
| <DennisSchaefer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:48) Joop -- youmean a motion by the GA for the NC to seek a bylaw change? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) Gary - you suggestion concerning dot.web is pratical and wise. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) oh, well then, they'll do something else :) |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) Folks, we'll tentatively webcast the ccTLD meeting that follows. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) dennis, yes there was one, but it met with practical objections from Touton. He suggested and NC acceptance of the GA choice. |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) One thing on the new TLD's...The DOC is heavily involved...more that most people know.. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) Only the "primary" video feed will stay up; the audio and backup video feeds will go down for archiving, etc. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) super, Ben! We want that one! |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:49) thanks Ben |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) exactly - i expect "practical and wise" may not make the grade here |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) If you're connected in one of those ways but want to stay online during the subsequent meeting, you need to make a change within the next ten minutes. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) ORSC will support IOD's .web in our root servers no matter what ICANN picks. If THEY want to slit the namespace they can do that. But it's very clear they are the ones that aredoing it. RFC 1591 says first come first servesd and IOD was first. Period. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) Meanwhile, the full archive of today's sessions should be up by 4:30-5:00pm, Becca and I hope. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) what do you mean, Ben? |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) ..lol....icann is open and trasperent |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) sure |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) See http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archivev -- coming together hour by hour. |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:50) great we know what the report is going to be like |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:51) not democratic -- but open and transparent |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:51) Who hired Touton and how long is his contract? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:51) Richard, what happens once you have co-existing tlds in a root and orsc? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:51) Oooooooohhh |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:51) the Board has hired Touton as Vice President. Not sure how long his contract is. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:52) Touton was hired by Joe Sims who along with Cochetti, handcrafted ICANN's structure. They all came from Joes Day who ICANN pays millions of dollars to. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:52) look at the evaluation team |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:52) hones day & arthur anderson |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:52) woops jones day & arthur anderson |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:52) Dunno Gary. Maybe all hell will break out, maybe there'll be a dropdown in Netscape to select which namespace you want, maybe somebody will backdown maybe there' be a lawsuit. |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) Hmm, watch the next career move closely (any predictions?) |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) remember that Arthur Anderson also collected the money for CORE. |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) Richard, doesn't http://www.icann.org/announcements/touton-pr19oct99.htm and http://www.icann.org/correspondence/touton-to-roberts-18oct99.htm reflect that ... |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) and the tech team is ucla/usc |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) Simon, can you elaborate? Artur Anderson & Jones Day? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) Mr. Touton wrote "I therefore wish to waive all salary for my service at ICANN, at least through the end of this first fiscal year (i.e. June 30, 2000)."? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:53) let me find the url hang on |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) Re Touton, see http://www.tbtf.com/roving_reporter/jdrp.html |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) Simon...You seemed to have known Mr. Postel, real well...What would he say right now about what has gone on at ICANN??? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) I'm not sure what you're saying Ben |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) Appendix A: Outside Advisors |
| <ballmer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) I repeat my Question again: What will happen to all those pre-registrations taken by IOD? Christopher Ambler, please answer. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) http://www.icann.org/tlds/report/report-appa-09nov00.htm |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:54) great nice |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) they are closing |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) and now what ever happened to taking questions |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) might be |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) They aren't giong anywhere Ballmer. That's my understanding, but I don't speak for IOD. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) Anyone find the NY Times / cybertimes article? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) Thx. Richard. Anywhere to keep up on news re that? |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) what did they write on Judith |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) ballmer, Chris stated on Sunday that these are not pre-registrations. They are registrations. |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) hi denise |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) If IOD flush them all they will lose a lot of support inclusinmg mine and Aurbachs |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:55) gary, not that well, but we spent some time working on the 1996 drafts |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) CHris said they would not flush them |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) So, no comments read out!!! |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) Gary the ORSC mailing lists are probably the best place http://www.open-rsc.org/lists |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) hi denise |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) they would be subject to UDRP though |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) How about resisting some corporate funding and control? |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) I admire you very much sir (Mr Higgs)...I noticed you always tried to bring fact into these discussions which I like. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:56) Oh, no comments again. Off with their heads! :-) |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) the report is probably scripted somewhere |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) Yeah, Simon has a thing about facts :-) |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) nice stageplay as usual |
| <_r> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) bye |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) I see what you mean , Simon |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) Next meeting in 10 minutes? Which topic? |
| <ballmer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) Leah-TLDLobby, I know that but what will happen to the domains I registered if Afilias gets .Web? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) thanks gary |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) And you Mr Sexton...I liked your paper on the Sunrise...We need more people involved... |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) now we now what the report is going to say |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) damned civil rights |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) thanks |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:57) hey ballmer -- what do you mean "if" ?? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) heh, yeah |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) too bad if some commie regime kills you |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) ccTLDs, I think Judith |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) we want all the info in one place so |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) ok, thanks. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) But Mr. Sexton is my dad, call me Richard, please :-) |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) our tm and IP interest can haunt individuals |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) k |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:58) why not Dick? ;-p |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) Why do I feel so despondeing afetr each NC meeting? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) Thank you Slime. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) Gee Richard, what do I say to people. My mom is gone and now I'm old |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) Ben? Simon? Any more info on Touton salary-waiver? Any other "benefits" for this role than just salary (eg investing in next career move?) Has he practiced as a civil rights lawyer at all? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) typo, despondent |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) good question, don't know |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 18:59) That's ok Joop, that malaise fuels lots of good work. Havn't you noticed that things only ever happen after one iof thse ICANN debacles. |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) what is that? Theme music in the background? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) aud/vid feed died for good |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) I still have feed. Will I lose it now? |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) I have the music Richard... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) Yes, I guess so. No gain without pain. Keep that percentage creeping up.. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) and do they have a music broadcast license? |
| <ballmer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:00) KendallDawson, please answer this. What will happen to the domains I registered if Afilias gets .Web? Will Afilias honour the pre-registrations taken by IOD? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) only afilias can answeerr but my gues is no |
| <DenaWhitebirch> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) ah Simon there is a loophole that covers that music ;) |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) ballmer, most likely not, and IOD's web will still be in the ORSC root |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) where it is now |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) Don't worry about Afilias ballmar |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) No, I doubt it ballmer... basically you'd be out some money. I have some .web names from IOD as well. There were no guarantees |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) always dena... |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) The DOC is involved...trust me... |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) wait what did i miss in last meeting? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:01) how so Greg? |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) RNesson you did a good thing for me today, thanks. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) but to what extent is DOC involved? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) sorry, I have to go. See you all later. Bye Dennis, Sri, Richard, Leah, Simon and all |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) They are the final say |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) bye Joop |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) see ya joop |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) bye Joop |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) cheer up |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) bye joop |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) Bye Rob |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) Richard, you can't get primary video feed? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) yeah, but if Bush gets in the whole DOC resignes and gets appointed anew, no? |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:02) I could go get the documents that say that, but I would have to dig...Plus my senator has been in touch with them..wrote a strong letter to Greg Rhode |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:03) Not until 1/21/01 |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:03) I can't get any feed. "The link is disabled" is what Real says |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:03) Ben's resetting? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:03) Try re-entering |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:03) takes more than one senator. I mean it's a good thing, but it takes more than that |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:04) i've still got feed |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:04) I've got full audio/video, was on main feed, never quit |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:04) same here-- the second time around |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:04) what time tommorow and main agenda ? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:04) though with that music mebbe I'm in a feedback loop |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:05) no go on backup #1. "no link". The others do not work foe me at ALL. |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:05) there nothing happening, just heads walking past the camera |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:05) they're recycling the same notes and heads |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:06) so whats all this talk about afilias? |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:06) afilias sucks |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:06) was any progress done in last meeting? missed most of it? had to head home early |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:06) public forum 9:00am PST tomorrow |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:07) nothing but talk Kevin... ballmer was wondering what would happen to his .web names from IOD if Afilias won the battle |
| <TroyDePento> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:07) JD what do you think of the meeting/ |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:07) Is there a way to take criminal action against Stubbs and ICANN ? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:07) here's one look at afilias: http://www.afilias.tv/ |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:08) anon, what have they done that is criminal? |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:08) gotta love it |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:08) Cannot open 'http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/realtime/asx-live-111400.asp'. Please verify that the path and filename are correct and try again. |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) what have they done? |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) what a stupid question |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) Re: Stubbs...how conflicted can your interests possibly be while still holding a powerful position? |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) Do you mean civil action like an injunction, anon324, or do you have a specific criminal offence in mind? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) i duno ut everything is broke. |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) no i mean fraud |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:09) icann internet broke? never! |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) lying - cheating - fraud |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) there has to be some criminal laws that were violated |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) mebbe you're first past their scalability bar Richard, they have trouble with that |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) Stubbs was not the only one....Mr Kane (from the registrars constituency) is a shareholder on the Dot ONE application |
| <LeeMickalson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) Sounds more like your talking about ICANN anna. |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) ICANN has a conflict-of-interest policy, but the supporting organizations don't and apparently NC members can get paid AND make decisions simultaneously |
| <FranciscaMedina> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) bye everybody, see you tomorrow... |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) not with all the lawyers they're paying. There's no law against stupidity and unethical behaviour. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:10) Bye Francis |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) next session up |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) there must be some insider trading laws that apply i would think |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) cctld admins... |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) Check out the latest roving_reporter for the full scoop- http://www.tbtf.com/roving_reporter/ |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) What facts take it beyond "mere" conflict of interest (and maybe civil action) to criminal fraud? |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) being in a position to know insside info and profiting from that position |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:11) the closest would be the franchise laws, but they skirt around that by saying they only accredit. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) subtle distinction |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) Demonstrable "proveable" profit? |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) i will when afilias gets .web |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) what feed are you listeing to Simon? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) icann accredit, authorization comes from DOC |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) Len, that would lose them non-profit status |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:12) main I think |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) anti trust is another possability |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=video.icann.org&dir=live&file=icann-111400 |
| <LeeMickalson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) yeah right!! |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) Richard, how do you figure anti-trust? |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) You want to know why ICANN acts the way it does...because they know the DOC will not break them up...iF the DOC did that...It would nullify the NSI agreement signed last year...starting to see the picture |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) total market concentration. |
| <anon324> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:13) insider info leah |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) I've always said anti-trust too, as well as Cal corp laws |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) joop dennis - still hanging around ? |
| <GregoryKrajewski> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) They have a clause in that agreement....NSI is holding the cards here...we just have to expose it |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) Joop left |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) joop left |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) That gives me this, Simon: You cannot receive this content. Either your network bandwidth is not fast enough to receive this data or your CPU is not powerful enough to |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) thanks |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) leah |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:14) any productive use of hanging around u think ? |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) it's a 34k stream |
| <KevinAllen> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) krystee whats your email address? |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) NSI isn't holding anything. They are utterly powerless. |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) cctlds might be interesting |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) Yokahama was 80k, almost usable |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) Great, I'm on a 26.4 dialup. No choice out here in the country. |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) if you're interested in CCtlds... you should |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) folks - there alot of commentary today from the ietf concerning domain names - and rfc 1591 |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) where joe |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:15) Richard, a reboot might do it |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) I had a 19k stream off of one of the secondaries earlier in the day |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) don't think so. Tried that. Backup #2 give me "link not found". |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) Reflections on the DNS, RFC 1591 |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) Richard, antitrust may have legs (ICANN and Microsoft similarities?)-- anyone working on this?-- worth a webpage? |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) Ben cut the backups |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) or try the combined video/chat |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klensin-1591-reflections-01.txt |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:16) Thanks leah |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) This memo includes some thoughts about how 1591 |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) might be interpreted and adjusted by the IANA and ICANN to better |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) reflect today's world while retaining characteristics and policies |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) that have proven to be effective in supporting Internet growth and |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) stability. A variation on this memo has been submitted to ICANN as a |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) comment on its evolving TLD policies. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) is RS79 still here? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) Monopoly, not adhering to agreed to standards, bad code. Micro$oft?... |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) yeah, I'm here |
| <Simon_Higgs> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) yes - richard_sexton |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) Is the scribe not working? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:17) ...no, that's so 20th century. The answer is ICANN |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) len, nothing can be done until ICANN does something. |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) not for me, Judith. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) i have no scribe access either |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) probably got sick of all the stuff rolling down hill Judith |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) there is no scribe for this sfaik |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) if ICANN is the answer we're asking the wrong question |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:18) OK, Veri$ign fits that description too. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) Nah. Verisign is not the great evil here. |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) Has anybdy got a working audio feed? |
| <LeeMickalson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) lol@Richard |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) yep |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) yes |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) u r so lucky if you don't have it |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:19) great. I just hear a buzzing noise. |
| <LeeMickalson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:20) yes |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:20) want a running commentary ? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:20) I didn't say verisign was evil, just that they fit the description :) |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:20) no running commentary please... |
| <Leah-TLDLobby> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:20) I have, Richard. Using the dual pane |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:20) ok |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:21) i have working video and audio - no scribe |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:21) same here |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) basically functional intro going on |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) in case anyone is interested - their trying to rewrite frc 1591 |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) many have tried that |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) thanks everyone |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) from what to what joe |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) i am getting out |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) and failed |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:22) q |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:23) Sri - have a look at the url http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klensin-1591-reflections-01.txt |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:23) thanks baptista |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:24) i had more than my fare share for today |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:24) guess I'll try a reboot. back in a bit |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:24) not too sure if there will be anything productive to look to |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:25) the slow going and all.. |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:25) by time we get to ask questions they will kick us out anyway |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:25) nite folks..you are all kind and courteous |
| <SrikanthNarra> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:25) kick us with no time, etc,,,, |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:25) bye |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:26) bye |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:26) bye |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:26) Is he referring to the "CCtld tax" from ICANN? |
| <baptista> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:27) bye sri |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:27) The bottom line purpose of "reflections" is ... ? |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:27) Didn't the Europeans completely reject this? |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:27) yes Kendall they did |
| <JD> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:29) the links for video scribe and so forth are outdated |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:30) just the governance of the Net...not countries |
| <LeeMickalson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:31) yep. |
| <LenLindon> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:31) Richard, does ICANN have to "do something"-- isnt an omission, not doing something, equally prohibited if it is characterised as falling within the general prohibited antitrust behaviour? |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:31) Folks, today's webcast is now over (and, you've noticed, has been over for some half an hour, in fact). |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:31) I'm signing off for the day, and will see at least some of you here (online) tomorrow. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:31) well, i'm still watching and listening to it |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) To the extent that the webcast remains operational, you can continue to watch. |
| <KristyMcKee> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) thanks |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) But we're changing links in preparation for tomorrow. |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) len: think rs is rebooting |
| <KendallDawson> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) thanks Ben! good-night |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) Ben you mean the scribe is over ... we still have audio/video ... this will not cease, will it? |
| <GaryOsbourne> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) Thx Ben |
| <BenjaminEdelman> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) So if you close your RealPlayer (or web browser) or restart your computer, you're unlikely to be able to get back in. |
| <RobJuneau> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) thanks again Ben, "see" you tomorrow, I hope |
| <Richard_Sexton> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:32) rs rebooted. |
| <JudithOppenheimer> (Tue, November 14, 2000 at 19:33) See you tomorrow Ben, thanks for all the hard work. |
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