Session Start: Sun Oct 31 11:10:46 1999 * Logging #ICANN-LA to '#icann-la.log' *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA LA Meeting Room Here Greetings from the tech team. Please use the chat area to notify us of technical difficulties. *** Dennis has joined #ICANN-LA *** Dennis has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** BillG has joined #ICANN-LA *** tommyg has joined #ICANN-LA *** karls has joined #ICANN-LA Greetings all, John Wilbanks here. I will be dropping in and out depending on how crazed we are at the tech table. hi. *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** karls has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** LK has joined #ICANN-LA Hello, the real time scribe page which should be at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la/realtime/scribe.html is giving a 404 not found error. I'll take a look at it and get right back. *** karls has joined #ICANN-LA refresh your page and try the scribe links again... *** LK has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** LK has joined #ICANN-LA are your scribe notes showing? *** karls has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) no they are not. did you refresh your remote participation page? yes I can access it now. Thanks. great - this is probably the best way to get tech problems through to us... how does everything look/sound out there? *** spc has joined #ICANN-LA *** Dennis has joined #ICANN-LA everything is fine so far. I'm watching the RealVideo stream and it's as best as I would expect of the technology at this point in time. *** LK has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** lk has joined #ICANN-LA test I have just joined in. Can someone tell me: is this a tutorial I'm hearing? 'yes, this is Louis Touton on New Registry/Registrar Agreements *** karls has joined #ICANN-LA He's gor a presentation going that is linked off the agenda page *** karls has quit IRC (QUIT: ) Thanks! no problem... *** lk has quit IRC (QUIT: ) very bad sound and picture now on the realvideo stream I'm on a 384k link and the RealVideo is fine for me. *** tommyg has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) Michael F is very hard for me to hear. *** tommyg has joined #ICANN-LA it should be fine on the video cast - which stream are you on? we just cranked up the levels on the audio casts too video is fine now; sound is almost okay -- sometimes hard to understand *** spc has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) Is this Milton Mueller speaking? *** Guest17409 has joined #ICANN-LA *** spc has joined #ICANN-LA *** Guest17409 is now known as wendy * wendy is going to be away from the channel. * wendy is going to be away from the channel. say: lively chat here are you wendy s. from berkman maybe? Indeed, I am the chat gets livelier as the week goes on... the open meeting and board meetings will be wild Well, hello! I one of your 'cyberstudents' from way back and a big hello to wendy from the tech table (jtw here) Hi to Jon and Josh and Ben too! *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) good to see you here, Dennis looks as though I'm going to be heading out Wendy: Ditto. I'm still pushing my "state actor" line. I miss having you and Antoun challenge me exit quit (quit) hmm... *** wendy has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous is now known as Wilbanks Anyone -- is there any reason a cease and desist letter can't be issued to a Web site, rather than to a street address? *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) dennis - I'm not a lawyer, but will ask around at break according to Zittrain, Thanks: I guess I'm wondering why they couldn't just track down an infringer by IP address. Or worst case: subpoena the registration info.) it requires a street address PO Box or something, which could... probably be acquired from ISP records under subpoena... US courts have said that users have to take affirmative action (bad phrase) to verify that they have landed at the site they intended. I concede Ted has a problem here, but I wonder if the proposed cure won't lead to abusive cease and desist letters generated simply because of the ease of access to the info. *** Wilbanks has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** Dennis has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** tommyg has left #ICANN-LA *** spc has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** David has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** tommyg has joined #ICANN-LA *** David has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA test *** baptista has joined #ICANN-LA have i missed anything ????? Hi Joe -- nothing yet so jeff williams showed - a man of his word. he told he's show up a few weeks ago No-- that's Kent Crispin making a funny! Do you see Milton? (I can't identify him.) oh ok i don't know who milton is very sad - hardly anyone is here Did you see the physical attendees list? (Pretty large) Remote is really small though. how many people are physically there - estimates? This is Dennis Schaefer: is my name showing here? Joe -- there were about 200 names when I looked at the list. no - your showing up as anonymous Ay --- I'm going to quit and logon again *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA still the same anonymous [anonymous@clorox.ne.mediaone.net] has joined #ICANN-LA Dennis: my re-log on failed. *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** wilbanks has joined #ICANN-LA who the hell is this myster guest - is she doing the hallowed eves stuff Dennis: got me: I'm baffled. It's Barbara Dooley (just take a look at your agenda...) If you're logged in as anonymous, you can type "/nick name" and your name changes... *** anonymous is now known as name *** name is now known as Dennis Thanks! (Do you happen to know which panelist is Milton?) He's next to the costumed panelist, wearing a checked shirt * baptista (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] A famous mark holder once claimed to me that they were entitled to their name in any tld by dint of their Section 42 Trademark registration. Makes classification seem desirable. Dennis - submit that via the webform on the broadcast.asp page and I'll get it into the queue. Done. *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) that's the way to get comments in - if they are in and timely they get into the discussion and if you want to write a longer comment (250 words or so, we don't have time for longer) you can send it in with a note saying to hold it for the comment period at the end of the panel. Good to know. Thank you. *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) Just sent another comment. "Isn't ICANN faced with the impossibility of administering names without actually entering the content of trademark law?" I'll send it through, but there's a line of 5 people waiting to talk at the open mic (aside) I the working groups had real audio/IRC chat. This isgreat! *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA our .god top level domain has been mentioned - great marketing - 2000 years worth *** anonymous has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** baptista has quit IRC (QUIT: baptista has no reason) You might have trouble if the wrong classification scheme is adopted! Nice job, Jon! *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) Sent another question to Ann similar to what Prof Nesson is asking now (I think). Your call on relevance. I put it in...but I figure to let Professor Nesson roll here Thanks -- I think they've hit my point already, esp. Prof Frankel. ok BTW: Its night in Boston: warmest Halloween in history. Enjoy CA anyway! I was to be in new orleans for halloween...left late last night. I'm a little bitter :-) I bet: I'm staring across the harbor at Salem: Witches adn the Vampire Lestat seems more exotic than ICANN just now. *** wilbanks has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous is now known as wilbanks $10 M!!! Maybe ICANN is more exotic. jeez, I hope they don't put a bounty on berkman folk! Prof Miller could take care of this easily! No slight to Prof Nesson: he did a great job of questioning the panel. John: while there's a break. Can you describe briefly what your console looks like? DO you pass questions to Jon physcially? Our console is me and 2 notebooks, 2 notebooks running realserver/realpresenter a 16-channel mackie mixer ben e. and two notebooks meg smith and a notebook two video cameras, multiple monitors, etc. I get the comments submitted to me in a web-visible database and tag them as substantive or not though the only non-substantive comments are usually technical or offensive I hand them over to the moderator for their choice of whether or no they are topial er, topical I also forgot to mention the desktop and the printer and all the ethernet Wow! Like flying a jet. and the phone coupler that connects our audio to Boston and the netmeeting computer It's kinda complex! Wow! I must say it appears to be working well. Its very hard to hear Theresa agreed which feed are you on? John: I submitted another one. Your call. just took Theresa's mic up hopefully it'll come through more clearly Re Theresa: thanks very much *** wilbanks has quit IRC (QUIT: ) Go Theresa! (Sorry others: feel free to disagree) John: just saw your console! Holy moly! hey, when they are showing video overheads, can they zoom in on the screen? Otherwise, the screen is washed out. Good point, BillG. *** anonymous has joined #ICANN-LA *** anonymous is now known as wilbanks Sent another.... (you must be getting tired of this!) can't say that one will go through...but you've had some good ones so far! I just puts 'em up there, I don't reads 'em. Just heard the penultimate one. (Thought Jon had declined it. I can sleep now...) it's not zittrain anymore - the moderator makes the call... she has had it for a while but picks her spots... and that timing was great Ohhhhhhh *** tommyg has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) sound on the video feed has just gone south.... we are working on fixing that awful noise and had to rewire there is some kind of interference in the mix and we must figure it out! perfect! don't touch a thing! *** tommyg has joined #ICANN-LA Hate to say it, but I have to leave. Nice job everyone. Goodnighte Take care - we'll be here all week Later *** Dennis has quit IRC (QUIT: ) John, just wanted to say thanks for a good job at keeping web feed up and running today! It worked out better than I thought it would. Thanks. It's a bit easier than it was in santiago, where the net conect died every half hour ;) Make sur eyou check in on wedensday when we do the open meeting... it's usually the most active online and we've actually got slots to present some results from today, as I understand... should be fun to watch. I am outta here Tommy, I'll email you the filename for the chat log see you tomorrow *** wilbanks has quit IRC (QUIT: ) *** BillG has quit IRC (QUIT: ) Session Close: Sun Oct 31 20:30:15 1999