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| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:33) morning all |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:33) good morbing |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:34) morning |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:36) an early start i see |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:39) yup.. i've actually been here for most of the night.. |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:39) already? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:42) ya.. :) well five or so hours.. i was hoping more people would show up because I had some questions and stuff i was interested in talking about |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:51) sorry to hear that. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:53) it will.. hmm.. where's Meg? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:55) the cairo feed is up though |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:55) good. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:56) Hi |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:57) I tried to get the agenda but got a 404 error message from Netscape. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:57) so are they actually going to be voting on resolutions today? or just discussion? |
| <AlanMandell> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:58) Hello, I received the same error |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:58) I'd like to post a comment about the UDRP. May I? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:59) Is the meeting being webcast now? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:59) RobertConnelly: sortof |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:59) Is that a definite "Maybe"? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:59) RobertConnelly: the meeting is being webcast.. check out the cairo feed |
| <AlanMandell> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 01:59) I just refreshed the Agenda page and the agenda is now up. |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:00) hi meg |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:00) HI all |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:00) RobertConnelly: you can no longer post comments that will be brought up in this meeting you have to use the feedback page at http://www.icann.org/feedback.html |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:00) I used the reload and the shift-reload, still no agenda;-{ |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:01) The agenda should be coming up; I'll check on it |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:01) I'll do that right now. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:01) RobertConnelly: or so it says on the content submission section of the daily info page |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:01) Robert, please hit refresh (I know you did it before) and try to see the agenda again |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:03) Any other tech issues we should know about? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:04) is the augmented feed up now? it wasn't a minute ago.. but i want to hear this so i don't want to try.. |
| <AlanMandell> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:04) They are now discussing new gTLD's on the webcast - item #3 |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:06) hmm.. did they decide anything concrete or did they decide te decide later? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:06) morning all... is it just me or is there no sound with the video feed this morning? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:07) ArielZusyaBenjamin: there's sound.. it's just you |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:07) makolee: which feed link are you using? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:07) ArielZusyaBenjamin: cairo |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:09) Thought I'd try just the audio tonight but it keeps dropping out on me too. Just can't seem to get enough bandwidth with this dialup. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:11) did anyone catch the exact role that was suggested for WIPO a few comments ago.. my sound is flaky and the scibe notes (are they happening) are not happening for me |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:11) So I sent my request. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:11) what was the request? |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:12) agenda is up and proposals are linked off of it. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:13) Oh, for Registrar experience with the UDRP procedures, are they straightforward or are there problems to deal with. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:13) this list of international famous marks sounds like a shady and potentially problematic situation... ugh.. more intimate involvement with the WIPO as well |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:14) hi folks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:15) how do your feeds look and sound? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:15) Net congestion gives me a harder time now than the message monster used to in the old BBS days :) |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:15) RobertConnelly: yesterday somebody mentioned that there have been decisions both ways in the UDRP.. both way but 14 to 1 in favor of trademark holders with two that dropped it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:15) FYI, all resolutions are linked off the agenda |
| <TommyGraham> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:16) agenda: <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive/agenda-bod-031000.html> |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:17) Thanks Makolee, we're just wondering whether registrars are meeting difficulties or not. |
| <JanusBooysen> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:18) Good thanks John |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:18) RobertConnelly: 14 to 1 is not as even a distribution as i was led to believe yesterday.. i think things are tilted and thats may just be a signifier of something else but it says something to me |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:20) the dominant role of WIPO in these plans is a little bit disconcerting to me |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:22) i don't believe that they have or will act in the best interests of the majority of the internet users |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:22) I read and circulated the results of the six.net and sixnet.com challenge. It appeared to me in this case that the system worked well for the protection of the "respodent" (domain name registrant). |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:23) The jury is out -- oops, there is *no* jury:-} |
| <BillBickford> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:23) Hey John, it is 2:20Am here in NY |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:24) Can't say I'm that happy with the resolution. Seems to me they are going to rely on WIPO a bit too much, even if they do reserve the right not to use the list. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:24) RobertConnelly: actually.. six.net / com was retained.. but it is the ONLY UDRP decision along those lines.. check out http://www.domainhandbook.com/udrp.html for the whole deal\ |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:25) Oh, it's only 16:25 here in Tokyo. But we are going to an Irish Night at the Foreign Correspondents Press Club at 18:30:-) |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:27) Dassa: i completely agree.. WIPO seems to get a larger and larger role and while the group they represent is potentially one with interests oppositional to most users |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:27) Seems to me commercial interests are dictating too much of the policy now. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:28) Dassa: i just fail to see how this will make the internet better for anyone whose not a major corporation.. and i don't see that they are the underrepresented group here |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:28) Dassa: I think this reflects the points many of us were trying to make last night... the underrepresented on the net are the unrepresented... the average user |
| <RobertConnelly> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:29) Somehow I got bounced off this chat group. We're having good connections with the webcast using the Cairo link. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:29) makolee: I agree, corporations have enough protection and the clout already. The little people have none. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:29) ArielZusyaBenjamin: Agreed. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:30) ArielZusyaBenjamin: the nature and structure of the organization favors the corporations.. the average user has no means to form or fund a union like WIPO and then put it in so many influential positions.. |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:30) So what can the average user do, in your opinions? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:31) makolee: *nod* agreed |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:31) funny how, despite the fact that they are responsible for policy that unilaterally effects the internet and all its users, ICANN maintains that they are not a "governing" body and therefore have no direct responsibility to the "little guy" |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:32) aaron, alex, and jessica are in the house |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:32) MegSmith: that's a toughy... I suppose we could generate a revolution and attempt to overthrow ICANN. *SMIRK* |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:33) does DoS attacks = net sit-ins? *GRIN* |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:33) MegSmith: i think that the board members must keep this in mind and modify the system so that those at-large members are reserved a representative hole in ICANN.. the organization is set up so that the the little guy, without an WIPO or the ability to fund one, cannot recieve an equal voice.. if the organization keeps this in mind and works toward it, they might get close |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:34) I can see this elected At Large Directors being a farce. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:34) makolee: what motivation does ICANN have to do that? |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:34) where is baptista? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:34) Dassa: as can I.. i'm really pessimitic about it |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:34) AaronMarcus: he left right before with tech problems |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) makolee: Especially with limited numbers of qualifying At Large members. |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) i bet its a conspiracy against him |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) AaronMarcus: lol |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) ArielZusyaBenjamin: as they are formed now, they dont, which i believe is a REALLY FUNDEMENTAL PROBLEM |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) hello baptista |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) makolee: *nod* agreed |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:35) speak of the devil |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:36) what timing |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:36) devil |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:36) bonjour - don't start calling on the devil - he may show up and discover ICANN soal are on his list |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:37) did this start on time today? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:38) ArielZusyaBenjamin: although I am not convinced that the form is so far off that it can't be modified.. again.. i don't see any reason to modify. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:38) baptista: right on time actually |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:38) I've lost volume, they must be too far from the mic :) |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:38) Dassa, we're still transmitting audio. |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:38) (And we're running audio through a compressor that maintains very consistent volume no matter how close or far speakers are from the microphones.) |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:39) BenEdelman: I am getting the audio but the volume is way down. I have it turned right up locally and can just hear it. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:39) baptista: WIPO is going to make the list of international famous names and take a role in the future introduction of new TLDs.. althogh ICANN reserves the right not to use it |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:39) Anyone else experiencing volume issues? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:39) makolee: I'm confused... you don't think ICANN should modify its policy in general? in relation to WIPO? At large membership? what? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:39) dassa, what feed? |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:40) yes, the volume is a bit low |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:40) there is lots of static too. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:40) Is WIPO making the making the list of international famous names available today - or is it just a promise? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:40) RealAudio Stream. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:41) Primary |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:41) dassa, is the stream still coming in? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:42) Volume just came back. |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:42) Dassa and Aaron, which feeds are you using? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:42) baptista: looks like it's just a promise... there was discussion of the resolution to receive the report from WIPO and that within that resolution ICANN could accept or reject the list |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:42) the augmented one(?) the one at the top. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:42) ArielZusyaBenjamin: i think that ICANN should change in relation to at large membership.. a meaningful and representative organization would not put WIPO at the reins of and modify its own form to serve the interests of WIPO and large corporations while neglecting the interests of the community at large |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:42) I have no way to directly adjust volume of the Cambridge feeds, but the audio from the Cairo and LA feeds (including Augmented) look good from the encoders. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:43) BenEdelman: Mine just came good, I am using the Primary RealAudio feed. |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:43) hello mark, how are you this evening? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:44) morning |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:44) wow, morning, where are you typing from? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:44) keep us posted on tech issues... |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:44) french ski resort |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:45) makolee: alright... I'm with you there... but I'm confused by what you said earlier, "i don't see any reason to modify." |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:45) cool, amherst, ma here (20/m) |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:45) Ski resort = ICANN speak for telephone booth - just kidding Mark ;-) |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:46) morning joe |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:46) ArielZusyaBenjamin: i mispoke.. i don't see any reason why modification (and even necessary amounto) would be impossible |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:47) hello A! |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:48) goodbye A! |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:48) so Mark - don't know if you caught it - but at large is electing 5 directors and the remainder later. I joined the conference a bit late - normally I stay logged in - but my sysadmin for this box decided to upgrade the ssh stack just as the meeting started. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:48) makolee: oh.... got it... yeah... I agree... I think it would be possible to modify ICANN policy... I just have very little faith in ICANN's commitment to that change... in fact I would bet it doesn't exist at all. *GRIN* |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:49) Hello all. Given the current proposal, how difficult do you think it would be to get elected to the ICANN board? |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:50) correct ArielZusyaBenjamin - it does not exist - this 5 now the rest later is just one example. but the concept of directors liability may change their mind on that. At large directors will have more pull then the current riffraff |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:50) RebeccaNesson: for you or for Billy Bob Gates? *SMIRK* |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:50) ArielZusyaBenjamin: why would they? that would require choosing committment to real democracy and progressive change in the public bests interesto while giving up the gifts.. and the helpful gifts of groups like WIPO.. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:51) baptista: i agree.. i think that is a step in the right direction.. but the system and the connections are still made.. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:51) baptista: I hope you can forgive me for remaining a sceptic until I see change. *GRIN* |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:52) RebeccaNesson: i don't stand a chance.. :) |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:52) id vote for you mako |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:53) AaronMarcus: if i get to vote myself then that's 2.. the voting pool is pretty small.. but its not that small.. :) |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:53) That is exactly the question. What do you think it would take? Do you think you have to be an insider? Do you think you would have to have technical qualitifcations? etc. |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:53) makolee: then again our politicians in the US, which claims to be a democracy, enjoy the gifts of big business... maybe we can convince the ICANN board that they wouldn't have to give up the gifts if they head toward democracy. *SMIRK* |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:54) Would take being close and cosy with the Nominating Committee I think *grin* |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:54) RebeccaNesson: i have (pretty good) technical qualifications.. i've never maintained bind but i know whato up |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:54) RebeccaNesson: I think you would need to be an insider of some sort - judging by the current board - but I don't think you'd need technical qualifications - also judging by the current board. *GRIN* |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:55) ArielZusyaBenjamin: i see our 'democracy' to pretty problematic in VERY similar ways.. and i think it makes sense that a largelf capitalist driven world of 'democracies' gives birth to a similar internet governing body as well |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:55) I don't like the empathise on regions, I would rather see the system based on another demographic. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:56) Dassa: like what? |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:56) Dassa: especially because it is clearly US-centric |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:56) that's vince cerf - who's talking - the man who wants to network Mars |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:56) scribe notes are up |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:56) makolee: Participation groups, commercial, non-profit etc etc |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:57) Do you measure the Internet community by current Internet users or by all those who may have access in the future? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:58) Each demographic needs to have equal representation. |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:58) Dassa: how would you represent individual users? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:58) where are scribe notes: only on enhanced feed? |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:58) Scribe notes are only being webcasted on the enhanced feed. It is a new feature this meeting. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:58) Hello John, just joining. What't the url for the scribe notes? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) scribe notes are always accessible via your broadcast page |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) RebeccaNesson: The individual users would fall into one of the demographic groups. They would nominate their representative. If the group was not regional based it would be fairer I think. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) I get a 404 error there. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) or directly today via <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive/scribe-icann-31000.html> |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) refresh, they just went up |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) Dassa: i like that.. but i think that consumers and non-commercial users, with the largest stake, should take precedence.. i am unwilling to settle for an internet governing body that implies that the end users are not of PRIMARY importance |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) Tks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 02:59) joop, do you see them? |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:00) Mark, the live webcast of scribe's notes requires RealPlayer G2 or v7 because it uses features of "SMIL" which isn't supported by earlier verisons of the Player. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:00) Dassa: implies through its form that is.. |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:00) These new RealPlayers require faster CPUs than many might have, and the new Augmented feed also requires somewhat more bandwidth (~50kbps rather than ~25kbps). |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:01) makolee : End users will often have their interests within a rang of participation groups, so if the selection of Directors was based on participation, their interests would be covered. |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:01) So, while we think the Augmented Feed is pretty good, we're hesitant to make it the only option available. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:02) server caching, Joop? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:02) Dassa: i'm worried because, in theory, our interests are supposed to be covered now.. and i just don't see that |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:02) BenEdelman: Please don't do that. I can only seem to manage with the audio feed with the augmented one dropping out every other minute. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:03) Hi Mark. Don't know what the problem is. Still a 404 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) my fault on scribe notes |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) makolee: if the At Large demographic grouping was based on participation and all groups had equal say, then there could be a group for personal (individual without specific affilations) group to provide support and protection for them. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) forgot the leading "0" on the date |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) it now works on my browsers |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) (John hangs head in html shame) |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:04) I 'll try again. Is there a shortcut to the text of the resolution/proposal? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:05) the resolutions are linked off the agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:05) you may need to refresh the broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:05) as well |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:05) OK |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:06) Dassa: i dont think that the role of the users is equal to the corporations.. or half of the corps and governments together.. or a fourt of the three of theme plus engineers.. or however you propose to break it up |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:07) makolee: I tend to disagree. It is the end users that provide the motivation for the other groups to become involved with the Internet in its current form. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:08) Dassa: i agree, but i'd argue that the internet in its current form IS those users.. or at least the technologically facilitated connections between them |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:08) makolee : All the groups that use the Internet need to be represented, due to the nature of the beast, the demographic breakdown for all the users can not be covered by regional boundaries. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:09) makolee : No arguement from me over that, I see it as being interlocking. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:10) this may interest some http://www.Salzburgseminar.org/icann.cfm |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:11) I call it the ICANN travel plan http://www.Salzburgseminar.org/icann.cfm |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:11) Dassa: I agree that regional partitions are problematic.. I think you are probably on to something with your role oriented nature.. but i think the publics role should be proprortionally larger than the others |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:11) baptista: it was posted in the scribe notes yesterday.. i saw it.. i want to apply |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:12) makolee : You could be right. The idea is not something that I have spent much time thinking about, it arose only from listening here tonight. I will need to think about it more before I could really fill it out. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:13) if i'm going to make a futile attempt at a position.. it sounds like i'd better get in good weth the nominating commititee |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:13) Captured Board = ICANN speak for board members who don't serve the IBM jingle |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:13) *GRIN* |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:14) this is a major problem - we don't need a nominating committee - we need direct elections - that's one problem with all of this. The AT-Large should be able to do it that way - instead were being spoon fed again |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:14) Seem to be getting a lot of static at the moment |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:15) Dassa: there's talk of involving the carter commision.. that might work for direct elections and more real democracy.. or so i would hope |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:16) I usually hate politicians and am looking forward to the day we execute them on pay TV - but Jimmy Carter is a man who will leave a legacy of good deeds |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:16) i want RMS to be a director |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:16) makolee : I would like to see fresh approaches tried with the logistic problems and a novel solution emerge. Applying the standard political solutions to the Internet just doesn't work in my mind. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:17) Static is bad at the moment |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:17) Anthony Rutowski would make an excellent at large director - if he was not already captured by NSI |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:17) Baptista, the dificulty i have with the direct electionsis that i don';t quite understand how voters will have an adequate understanding |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:17) of who they are votting for if they |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:18) do not have some sort of nomination process |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:18) Dassa: i ABSOLUTELY agree with that.. i've been arguing that for a while now.. i almost didn't us the word democracy because it can be constricting |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:19) AaronMarcus: i am not afraid of limiting understanding but i am worried about splinter groups that are so numerous that the people elected have tiny popular votes and no real support on a whole |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:21) I also agree with that, i thiink that that will be a problem as well. It is the standard difficulty with the multi party system like we see in some european countries |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:21) Another of the problems with having the nominations based on a regional demographic. The people I work with and know on the Internet are not in my own region. I do not know my own regional shakers and movers as I operate within a different criteria. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:21) how is the audio on the phone feeds? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:22) My audio has just come good, although still getting a little bit of static occassionally. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:23) AaronMarcus: but i think that the nature of the internet.. and the multinational, cultural, and the fact that the internet has traditionally fostered smaller and ideologically distinct and diverse communities, will accentuate this fact on an unprecendented scale |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:24) john gilmore would be a cool director |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:25) i think that most of the directors that i would be really excited about are already way to cynical about ICANN already |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:26) makolee : Seems to be a common problem. |
| <AaronMarcus> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:26) DarrylStrawberry would make a GREAT director |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:26) and would never be willing to take the job.. how much work would it require.. and what kind of repayment |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:28) did I just hear one of the panalists say that it is 5 past ten there? is there really a 20 min lag? what's up? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:28) no, it's 10:30 here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:29) how is the audio now for those of you on the phone feeds? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:29) Great for me at the moment thanks :) |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:29) without people being paid.. we're going to get a certain type of director.. and i'm hoping that's not the kind being set up with tickets and hotels by WIPO and company |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:29) JohnWilbanks: going great |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:30) No , probably by the Markle foundation |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:30) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:30) What do you all think about the geographgic diversity requirement? Do you share Esther's unease? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:31) I have argued against it from the start |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:31) JoopTeernstra: i have mixed feelings.. I agree with Dassa.. but I'm afraid of an abandonment as well |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:32) I would rather see the diversity requirement based on other criteria, I do not think that geographic will be representative. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:33) geographical diversity and womens right are stalling arguments. it's not the boards business to fix world participation or participate in gender equality. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:33) I have always senn the geog div. requirement as a divide and rule gimick |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:34) baptista: but ignoring inequalities inate in and pepetiuating them is something that ICANN can not do and be fair |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:34) Especially when only regional members can vote ONLY for their regional candidates |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:34) that's what it is - in fact everything this board does is via the divid and rule proceedure |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:35) baptista : But is the Boards business to make sure that representation is global in scope and true representation, not just lip service to the concepts. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:35) i reallf apologize for my spelling.. i switched to a dvorak keyboard.. and it's 3:30 where i am |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:36) Dassa: yes, but being Global is very different from being regionally divided |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:36) makolee - geographical and gender diversity is not the boards business - if you feel the board needs more gender equality - then call you girlfriends on the phone and let them know and encourage them to participate. The net by it's current nature is male, and that is not an issue - it's a fact of life which will only change over time. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:37) JoopTeernstra : Very true, and that is why I suggested earlier a different demographic criterial be used. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:37) just like it will change for Africa as they get more wired |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:37) makolee - where are you surfing from |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:38) The constituencies have different interests, and they span across the continents. For an African Domain Name holder the issues are similar to an Asian one. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:39) But an Internet cafe user in latin america shares the concerns of one in other developing countries. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:40) JoopTeernstra : I would see the constituencies as being a part of it but not the sole solution. They would certainly be better than having regional based Directors. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:41) Constituencies within the Al Large will form naturally. Free speech constituencies, for example |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:41) whats up? |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:42) mmm....Mis-communication at a Board Meeting doesn't auger well for the future. |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:42) whats up with these crazy old ass white dudes on the video feed? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:44) scribes are fresh |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:45) Amadeau - the crazy bald white dude is getting pissed - he's got alot invested in the show. |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:45) the show? what show? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:45) Amadeu is no friend of democracy |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:46) the ICANN show - what your watching - the whole fisaco the is ICANN - is the ICANN show |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:46) how can you live in a democracy when freedoms are suppressed every live long day? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:46) with the dnso they followed the UN model -general assembly with executive council on top, one assumes ICANN board meetings will become stratified on top of all that, with formal statements of position |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:47) The only thing I like About Amadeau - is that he talks alot - and it sounds like a muted klingon opera - however - i've noticed he's been limiting his diatribe these days. |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:47) St8UpG, I have to warn you that the use of the term "crazy ass" is not consistent with the prohibitions on profanity and personal attacks that govern conduct in this forum. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:47) The GA of the UN has formal powers, Mark. The GA of the DNSO cannot even vote |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:47) Please adjust your tone accordingly. |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:48) oh, sorry homie, i didnt realize the restrictions on free speech that you had. thanks for telling me. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:48) theres nothing wrong with crazy ass - it's an expression - and a good one at that |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:48) The rules of this forum are clearly stated at entrnace. |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:48) thanks baptista, you rule. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:48) homie? that beats my fruit loop statements |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:49) is homie a curse word too because its only used in urban areas |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:49) ? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:49) well, that's progress, joop, cheap code beats expensive democracy? |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:49) I noticed they have stayed away from the GA discussions this trip - not much GA stuff |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:50) Why feed the NC? |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:50) the berkman boys are a bit touchy about anything dealing with homosexuality - so homie comes close to their defination of slander |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:50) hey, ben, stop using the phrase cr**y a**, it is against the rules of this chat room. |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:50) oh, thanks for telling me, h**ie. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:51) i think - anyway - you can't mention anything dealing with fruits - or stuff fruity |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:51) St8UpG, please restrict your comments to the subject of ICANN, issues under consideration, and related topics, per instructions in the "CIVIL DISCOURSE" section of the forum's introductory message. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:51) anyway - let's get back to the show |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:51) i agree with baptisa! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:52) My code has been offered for free, Mark, but the GA of the DNSO probably prefers Kent Crispin's votebot :-) |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:52) I've been scribing but I am now back |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:53) Joop - how about telling us - for the record - How the GA used your voting booth - even after you advised them it could be subjected to fraud and you even suggested a fraud free polling method. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:53) I've looked at Kent Cripins votebot - It's not that hot. He tried though |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:54) Nobody ever seems to tell the scribes how brilliant they are, it is their understanding of the words we see, not the original words usually |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:55) No problem. I told them the best way was to create a voters roll and then let the Booth sofware create a personal password for each voter. Roberto preferred to use the open method, without security, so that he could actually get an insight in the extent of voter fraud that might occur |
| <ArielZusyaBenjamin> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:55) MegSmith: what ever happened with the fuss that began back in December 99 over the .ps designation for a Palestinian state? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:56) Kent's ok, although one suspects he could be replicated by ISOC on demand |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:56) exactly - he used it as an experiment - which is bunk - did he tell you before we voted that we were being used as lab rats for one of the chairs demented trips to disney land??? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:57) Joe, Kent Crispins votebot gives the exact voting records to Kent Crispin, no anonymity, that's the problem with it. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:57) basically Kent's job is exactly the same as mine. He's an ICANN/ISOC hired gun, but not very effective at it. |
| <Dassa> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:57) Will have to go. Will try to come back later. Have fun everyone :) |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:57) bye |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:57) I think that anonymity should be a primary concern. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 03:58) Joe, I appreciate your honesty about being paid. There are others with similar roles (Walsh springs to mind) who never admiot it. |
| <steve> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:01) ack, booted.. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:01) i noticed - have to wait for Joop to get back to ask the question |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:04) really, SO what's up with the IBM and Icann thing? |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:05) check here for icann-ibm nonsense http://cookreport.com/isoccontrol.shtml |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:05) Common yo, We know that there is something more than a simple partniship there yo!!! |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:06) true - i'm going for a break boy's and girls - be back when it starts again |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:06) Hey Ben and John ! Great job! The Berkman "Feed" works the best! |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:06) IBM and ICANN both start with the letter "I". What's up with that!!! |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:09) Where can we post proposed amendments to the UDRP ? |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:09) May be I am just paranoid, but i really think that we should look into this further!!! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:09) michael, I'd send you to the icann formal comment site... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:10) don't have the url handy |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:11) Are amendments to the UDRP "bad faith" clause currently in the table, John? |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:11) (Michael, the RealMedia feeds are all operated by the Berkman Center -- only the server hosting is in part provided by others.) |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:11) (The labeling is somewhat confusing and unclear, I realize.) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:11) beats me, honestly - I am trying to get our archives cleaned up and in shape |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:11) I'll get you a fresh scribe note |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:12) and you can check there |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:12) You've got a staff for that don't you John? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:13) uhhh, yeah...riiiiiight |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:13) :-) |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:14) If you don't, You can have my staff... |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:14) ... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:14) Michael, scribes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:14) up to the break - check and see the issue on the table |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:14) Ju st kidding, I don't have astaff |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:15) Great John, Thanks. |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:16) Greeting makolee! Where are you joining us from. |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:17) The feed is very quirky but very cool to be able to participate in a meeting on the other side of the world "Live" ! |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:17) how did all the hampshire students find out about this? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:17) St8UpG: Hampshire College.. Western Massachessettes |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Folks, the agenda has changed somewhat. |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) We're about to start again |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Next up is Independent Review, then CEO Search |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Audit Committee Charter |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) IETF/ICANN Agreement |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) baptista: Meg Smith teaches a course at Hampshire |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Authorization of Checks |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Yokohama |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Meeting Sched |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Thanks to local hosts |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Wow, college! That's cool! |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) John will put up new agenda in HTML in a second. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) how old is meg |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:18) Can we post comments about the UDRP today? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:19) Comments can't be posted using the Berkman system today |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:19) Because we handle real-time comment submission only |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:19) And the Board isn't taking any |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:19) However, I believe the ICANN site is accepting comments |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:19) the board is wise - how old are you meg - i was under the impression you were a student |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:20) I appreciate the nod for bringing the Hampshire group here but let's stay on topic |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:20) MichaelSernocky: http://www.icann.org/feedback.html is your bet at the moment |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:21) Did the board write the "bad faith" clause in the UDRP bap? |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:21) i'm not sure |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:21) Baptista,they always want to stay on topic. |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:21) Thanx Mac |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:22) new agenda is up, just refresh |
| <BenEdelman> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:24) slides are coming |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:25) So, we go watch 'em right . Keep up the good work guys . |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:26) I bet they are much mre interesting than the slides fo my uncle's vacation. But he is overweight. |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:27) here's a write up on yesturdays fan fair |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:28) http://cnniw.newsreal.com/cgi-bin/NewsService?osform_template=pages/cnniwStory&ID=cnniw&storypath=News/Story_2000_03_09.NRdb@2@20@3@38&path=News/Category.NRdb@2@17@2@11 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:28) jeri clausing wrote an article in the nytimes as well...it's in the technology section |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:29) cerf presentation is now linked off agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:29) as always, refresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:29) and you should see it |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:32) baptista: that article tries hard not to risk answering a single 'why' question |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:32) makolee - true |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:32) i don't remember, is CNN actually there? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:35) I haven't seen CNN but that doesn't mean it isn't here |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:36) You haven't seen Jesus, but that doesn't mean that Hes not here! |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:37) baptista: offensive in its attempt to not offend ANYONE.. i think there this type of journalism in not OK because i believe the status quo, is kinda scary.. i'm not saying, report things MY WAY.. but different groups answers to these questions can at least be touched upon.. without the press working to facilitate some form of public space, our current problem of an uninformed and uninvolved has no choise but to perpetuate itself |
| <baptista> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:38) vinc cerf is describing the next CEO in his own image. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:39) scribe notes are fresh |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:40) Our feed got shut down! |
| <steve> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:40) did we lose video or is it me? |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:40) MegSmith: I read through the scibes notes from yesterday.. and by their nature, they might skim like this.. but they represent different questions and motivations well.. i was really impressed and thankful.. it's AP and it's signed from Cairo.. if that means anything |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:40) which feed are you on? |
| <steve> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:41) main (augmented) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:41) give it a shot again |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:41) should be back uo |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:41) up |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:41) Sorry Mako, I'm confused -- AP story sounds like scribe or you liked scribe notes but not AP? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:42) lost the scribe feed for a second |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:42) but it's restarted |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:42) everybody got it back? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:42) Remote participants like all of you are the key reason for scribing and webcasting |
| <St8UpG> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:42) Yup. Thanx yo! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:43) good stuff |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:43) i'm really happy for the public space facilitaed by this channel.. but the media.. or the media geared toward internet users needs to try and mirror this to help involve and educate a greater number of people |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:43) But, it's a positive side effect that the press, which often doesn't cover Internet issues like these fully, has an easy way to write their stories |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:44) poser...would you rather have a small number of informed stories, or a large number of stories swallowing the party line whole? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:44) Ben usually scribes and a couple of us back him up but I know we all try very hard simply to report |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:44) And not to edit other than for brevity |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:44) by poser, I mean it as a question to all of you... |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:44) MegSmith: no.. the link baptista posted is AP.. i like the scibe notes and was wondering if the news strry was taken from these or from actually bing at the meeting |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:45) Mako, I don't know, although we have pointed a number of press people who are here to the scribe notes as well! |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:49) MegSmith: i appreciate the online chat option.. i think that people that watch the meeting, engage in the chat, and read the notes, get cool different perspectives of these events.. i think its too bad that the press is (except for the handful of \selected questions) missing out on the chat experience.. |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:50) I know we had at least one press person in here yesterday |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:51) MegSmith: that's great.. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) there are some links in (yesterday at least) the scribe notes that aren't there. they say 'link' but don't have links.. where do i find these? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) they're all linked off the agendas |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) or should be |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) I am in the process of setting anchors |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) and cutpoints |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) so you can jump from the agenda item to the relevant |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) portion of the scribe notes and video |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) without searching |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:54) But Mako, I, too would like to see more press people in here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:55) and then I'll be going through and linking in docs |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:55) within the scribe notes themselves |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:55) will let you know when I'm done' |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:55) BTW, the resolutions that are not yet online |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:56) are drafts and we will post them as soon as we get final electronic copies |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:57) JohnWilbanks: ok, i understand.. i was just a bit confused.. i was curious but i'll check it out again |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:57) mako - no problem |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:57) John, you sound like a webmaster. How about developing www.eLegalBriefs.com for me? You could save a rainforest with that one and help speed the wheels of justice too! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:57) we try to make the archives as userfriendly as possible |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:58) michael, I'm no webmaster |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:58) not compared to the folks who really know what they're doing |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:58) I just type fast |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 04:58) :) |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:02) Hi. May I ask a question? |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:03) Think about it , providing electronic legal briefs worldwide, live. Charge per Download. How about running it by the Harvard Law Librarian? www.eLegalBriefs.com John, www.LegalBriefs.com is already built . |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:03) Avniye,fire away |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:03) michael, sounds like an interesting idea...but let's stay on topic |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:03) feel free to email me after the meetings |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:04) my addy is at the bottom of pretty much every page you're looking at |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:04) how do you people see the effect of that kind of stuff on employment prospects? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:04) again, let's stick on topic |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) :) Forgive my illiteracy... how are all these Real-Time Scribes being broadcasted synchronously? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) though I'd welcome an email exchange on it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) the real time notes are part of a two-piece real video webcast |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) one window is the camera feed |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) one window the scribe feed |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) I have a development plan for every domain I own is the point I'm trying to make. OK, gotcha, will do |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) is salzburg semeinar going to be doing the travel thing for the yokohama meeting? |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:05) Thanks... |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:06) Mako, I think it is going to continue to do some travel funding but I don't know any details |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:07) ok, agendas are anchored and the video links from the agenda are tagged to the corresponding spots on the video |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) am heading to the scribe archives to fix them up |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) for those that are interested, as baptista psted before and it was linked in the scribe notes from yesterday, people who need it and qualify can try and get their way to these meetings payed.. check out lways, refresh |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) <JohnWilbanks> and you should see it |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) -:- SignOff MichaelSernocky: #ICANN-Cairo (QUIT: ) |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) -:- MichaelSernocky [MichaelSer@1Cust138.tnt1.baltimore.md.da.uu.net] has |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) joined #ICANN-Cairo |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) Good Luck, John. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:08) http://www.salzburgseminar.org/icann.cfm that is |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:09) sorry about that.. pasted the wrong thing |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:09) today's scribe notes are refreshed |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:14) No webcasts? Forget about it. Fund it now! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:14) that is for the DNSO, FYI |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:15) I think they were referring specifically to webcasts of DNSO and other SO meetings |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:15) we have done regular webcasts of names council |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:15) teleconferences |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:15) and of their meetings in conjunction with icann meetings |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:15) Roberts does not want a DNSO for people without money |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:16) How much are they talking about John, total webcast cost? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:16) I think the argument is that the DNSO should be paying for it |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:16) the importance of webcasts, even if they aren't being used in their potential or how anyone would like them to be, is to important and essential.. with the doubt raised about icann, the SOs and accessability, i don't see how they could afford to do that |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:16) I don't have the numbers, but the outstanding balance is $3K |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:17) given the interests in the DNSO, they could find money if they wanted: didn't Dennis Jennings say this for the ccTLD's? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:17) That 3K is for DNSO teleconferences, not ICANN generally |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:17) Forget about it. They'll fund it! |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:17) well we're talking about a $5million bugdet here aren't we? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:18) MOney is a problem for the NCDNHC and the Individuals constituencies |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:18) Sorry, was it NC or DNSO? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:19) DNSO. Every constituency has to come up with 5000$ p.a. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:20) If the Ford Foundation can pay for Roberto Gaetano's travel, they could probably pay that too. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:20) there's got to be room for that.. what about WIPO and that 'help'.. the problem with the 'help' WIPO gives is that it is ways that only benifit themselves.. which wouldn't be bad if it didn't play down the role of the actual community members.. it shouldn't be theur responsibility but it makes one think |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:21) The Ford foundation is going to vet all applications for travel funding. They will not pay for constituency contributions to the DNSO |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:23) but the debt was for NC teleconferences, different thing |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:23) when is LA? |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:23) November |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:23) Yes, different thing. The contributions will be towards the total budget. |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:24) Thanks all! See you in Yokohama in July |
| <RebeccaNesson> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:24) Goodbye\ |
| <MegSmith> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:24) And I'll see the Hampshire folks in two weeks |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:25) yawn.. dont tell me it's sunny outside yet.. |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:25) YokahomaCANN.com |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:25) See you in Yokohama, John and Ben |
| <MarkMeasday> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:25) thanks, bye |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:25) see you there... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:25) EWill you be there , Mark |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) John, |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) JohnWilbanks: thanks for all you've done.. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) and thanks to all of you for joining us |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) who decides on the venue? |
| <steve> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) yes, thanks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) the board decides |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) this has been a blast |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) BenEdelman: and you too.. it's appreciated |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) but I gotta get home! |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) I see.. Thanks and bye... |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:26) Ok take care John ,great job! |
| <JanusBooysen> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:28) yes, great job, john and Ben, keep well. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:28) goodmorning everyonee.. i'm gonna get some sleep.. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:29) later |
| <steve> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:29) ...lucky, I gots class at nine. |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:29) hehe.. at hampshire? |
| <MichaelSernocky> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:29) See you all at www.YokohamaCANN.com ! |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:30) see ya |
| <makolee> (Fri, March 10, 2000 at 05:30) well i'm death tired.. later.. |
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