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| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:01) anyone having any luck on the video feeds? |
| <Inging> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:02) yeah, somewhat |
| <tlong> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:02) my feed keeps dropping is that what happens to you? |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:02) just too much buffering |
| <Inging> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:03) now the picture's frozen |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:04) Nothing moving for me. But it started out that way. |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:04) things are working good now for me |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:04) using the augmented feed |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:04) what is the link, I'm at the berkman page for broadcast, but the link isn't up yet |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:05) not much sound though |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:05) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:05) duh, got it, thanks |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:05) np |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:06) got video. just a hum on the sound. |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:06) yeah |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:06) hum |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:07) HTA, there's no sound yet. |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:09) i thought the meeting started at 2 EST |
| <DouglasCannell> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:10) when have you ever had a meeting start on time? |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:10) how many meetings have a web audience? |
| <DouglasCannell> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:11) Not many from my end (thank god!) |
| <tlong> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) i have no video anyone else have that problem? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) my video died too |
| <DouglasCannell> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) same here. Jason, what is Cicada Dynamic Systems? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) Hello Harald. |
| <JasonPriestas> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) they're trying to fix the sound? |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) lost it, then reconnected. Have a feeling this is going to be frequent. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) Jason, there's no sound yet. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:12) Meeting starts in a few more minutes, then there will be something to hear. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:13) ben, is meg smith going to be here on IRC? I'm a student of her's from Hampshire College |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:16) hey josh |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:16) remote participants going up on screen. unreadable. still no sound. |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:17) the meeting hasn't started yet |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:17) so there is no sound coming through the soundboard |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:17) and thus no sound through the webcast... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:17) does this count as the remote participents? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:17) or is there another chat fourm? |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) if you registered through the interface |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) you are listed as a remote participant |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) ok. |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) see the instructions at the beginning of the chat room |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) for the link to the registration interface |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) I am at the table and will be in and out of this chat room |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) as time allows me to... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) yeah, I registered there, thanks. |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:18) enjoy the meeting |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:19) Hey Meg. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:19) Hi Duran -- glad to see you! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:19) Thanks. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:20) Is this the chat room you were talking about for class? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:21) man, the static on the audio is awful... |
| <tlong> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:22) I'm not getting audio or video |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:22) the audio link worked for me. not the video one though. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:22) the audio stuff sounds like "someone chatting far from the mike". |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:22) no video here. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:23) hmm. I would have gone with "random busy room, with static". ;) |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:23) random busy room is about right... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:23) :) |
| <jtw> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:24) how bad is the static? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:24) not great. pretty loud |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:25) random side chat, like there's an open mike... difficult to understand what I think is the main speaker as it's distorted |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:25) yow |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:25) there's the main mike. that static's REAL bad. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:26) There may be some heavy traffic shortly due to the ICANN meeting being featured on SlashDot |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:26) "Ben, are you ready" came thru |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:26) heeh |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:26) We're working on it -- thanks |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:26) now they've started. sounds real good here. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:26) We've got capacity for hundreds, but not thousands, of simultaneous RealPlayer connections. Will see how this shakes out. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:27) Remember, complete archives will be available ASAP (after conclusion of each session). |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:28) Duran and Jessica, you are in the right place |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:28) Thanks |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:28) hey, what about me? :P |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:28) jc42 = josh crawford |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:28) What's the scoop on the GAC-ccTLD session? Being held now |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:29) audio just died |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:29) Thank you |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:29) video too |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:30) board coming through |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:30) hey, there's 34 of us |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:30) :) |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:30) See Mr. Edelman, "Died" is a technical term! =] |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:30) The GAC is meeting privately right now. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:30) Josh, glad to see you |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:31) 'ello. :) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:31) As the early adopters, I hope you three will help your classmates |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:31) How is the audio for everyone now? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:31) good, and video is back. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:32) How is scribe's notes in the augmented video feed? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:32) I keep losing the audio and video but the scribes notes keep coming thru :-) I end up stopping and starting to get it back. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:32) same here |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:33) OK, Pete. Will try to figure out what's wrong at the first break. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:33) The scribes notes are sortof keeping the flow going :-) which is good |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:34) Glad to hear it -- it was a good idea of Ben's, I think |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:34) I have to keep starting and stopping it as well. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:34) restart gave me back audio too. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:34) sounds like we lose it about the same time |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:35) where are you physicly pete? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:35) I'm in Amherst MASS |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:35) Santa Clara, California :-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:35) . oh... |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:35) on a T1 |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:35) <lost A/V> |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:36) We'll keep working on smoothing it out -- if it's a buffer problem, though, there won't be much we can do |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:36) Yeah T1-> lan for me. though hampshire has less then a great network archetechture... (poor alternitive liberal arts school) |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:36) I'm in Norway, on ISDN, and losing it at the same time. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:36) sounds like it's real close to the source. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:36) To the admins, any idea what kind of outgoing bandwidth you have? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) And... I just lost ALL connection. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) <congestion> |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) Real player died, and the web link is broken (404) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) which servers are you using? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) We've got 2.5mbps outgoing. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) we are serving from three different |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) servers, two in LA |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) ok |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) and one here |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:37) Please state which RealMedia link is having problems when reporting problems. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) Else, it's very hard to diagnose what's wrong. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/double-030800.ram |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) that one |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) primary LA server is fine for me.. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) Also, the Cambridge RealAudio servers should be quite reliable. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) and this one : http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=ip&ip=video.icann.org&dir=live&file=icann-live-030800 |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) I'm using the non-enriched US one |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) I'm coming from Berkman Center |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) They get an audio-only signal from Cairo by analog telephone connection -- should work 100%. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) it's dying same as the others |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:38) err... that's the feed I'm using |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:39) Pete, try the other of the two Cambridge RealAudio servers? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:39) and I just checked the double-030800 feed and got through fine... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:39) check your configs. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) server connection couldn't be established for the http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/double-030800.ram server |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) as well as the primary cambridge server URL : http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/scripts/rammaker.asp?s=cyber&dir=live&file=icann-live-030800-1 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) every link worked for me in the last 60 seconds |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) the LA non-augmented server is fine.. for the last 5 mins |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) Duran, try turning off your browser |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) Josh, how are you? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) and logging back in. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) ok |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:40) mine's working at the moment |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:41) Now getting real a/v feed from ICANN in LA. (doesn't have the scribe notes as conveniently) :-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:42) ok, seems to be coming back... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:42) ok, it connected, buffering... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:42) and were back. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:42) thanks guys |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:43) is there a way to turn bass down on that man's voice ? =] |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:43) wow |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:43) epp. another skip |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:43) fyi, scribe notes are current on the broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:44) if you're getting slow buffers on the video |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:44) or using the non-augmented feeds |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:44) timeout again. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:45) DSims, we'll see about doing some EQ on the signal at first break. |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:45) Ta.. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:46) ok, so I have to hit the play button every 5 minutes, because the server dies on me, I'll get a URL for you next time it dies. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:46) what is the name of the current talker? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:46) ok, so, why does the committie have those ugly CRT monitors, shouldn't they have sexy flat screens :) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:47) Gomes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:47) chuck gomes of nsi |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:47) Duran, we're trying to keep costs down. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:47) Also CRTs have wider viewing angle. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:47) Ok, server just died, heres the URL for the error : pnm://video.icann.org/encoder/icann-live-030800.rm |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:47) I just have to hit play, and it comes back after rebuffering. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Duran, I think you've got some config problems |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) with your real player |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) what version are you using? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) solution? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Duran, it could also be bad 'net from you to the server. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Little can be done at the moment. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) version 7 plus |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Save for trying different servers. |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Duran:try the non-augmented LA server |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) I take it all have the same problem for yo? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Ok. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Some worse than others? |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) it's been fine for 15mins |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Josh, how are you? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) Jessica? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) was still dying... I just switched to the cairo server |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) hasn't died yet |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:48) i'm having the same problem as Duran |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) I'll try that. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) (~3 min) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) is anyone from off the hampshire college campus |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) Mine was fine until the same point as him... so I hit play and brought it back... this one was better than the augmented server before |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) having these problems? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) trying the cairo server? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) other than buffering? |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) It's fine for me and im on a 6k in .au so it must be good =] |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) though I did get a good scribe feed from there :-) |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:49) s/6k/56k |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:50) at the moment no scribe notes here. 64K in Norway. RealPlayer 7. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:51) which constituency was he? |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:51) realaudio feeds on webpage have real lousy sound. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:51) He was business |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:51) we'll work on the scribe feed problem at the first opportunity |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:51) thanks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:52) for now, you can access scribe notes through the link on the |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:52) broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:52) I am getting ready to update them right now. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:53) reload it or click to it for scribe notes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:53) will update every few minutes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:54) real audio feeds are run through a phone line |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:54) from cairo to mass. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:54) so the quality is dependent on the phone link quality |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:54) which ain't the greatest from here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:55) but at least it's a dependable backup should we lose |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:55) the network like has happened in the past. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:55) sorry for the poor sound quality :-( |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:55) Scribe notes back for anyone else? |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:55) yes, thank you |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:56) Who is the current speaker? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:57) She didn't speak clearly enough for us to catch her name |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:57) ok |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:57) scribe notes are fresh on broadcast page |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:57) She is speaking about the ccTLDs, though |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:57) yeah. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:58) Sorry if scribe's notes are coming up mangled right now |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:58) What does NC mean on the scribes notes? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:58) Names Council |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:58) Names Council in that context |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:58) ok |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:59) It's tough for the scribe not to use some abbreviations, |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:59) I understand |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:59) but it makes it harder on everyone else, so it's a toss up |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 02:59) the scribe wins, cause he has the keyboard... |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:01) Duran, I'll try to spell out more, at least the first time. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:01) Ok. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:01) Thanks |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:01) don't worry, I understand your racing to type it all up. |
| <tlong> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:02) who is the lady speaking? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:02) Kleinman |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:02) lost audio on LA |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:02) audio still good in MA |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) duran, are you on the LA feed? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) no |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) Hello all - has the vid and audio been playing up for everyone ? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) I think I'm on the cairo direct feed |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) the levels are dancing on the encoders |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) lost audio on LA feed (to be precice) heh |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) Hiccups all around on a/v |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:03) oh yea... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:04) what group is this lady from? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:04) wow, I didn't realize the non-commercial group supported individuals so much... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) our stuff seems to be good here |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) Non-commercial interests have a tough row to hoe |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) indeed |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) Lots of moral support, but money and power don't necessarily follow |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) Especially now Verisign / NSI are in bed together Meg... |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) I sortof wish that working group [A,B,C,D] had REAL names which reflected what they are |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) so I don't know where the problems are |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) Indeed |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:05) try the cairo feed for video and let me know |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:06) B is famous marks. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:06) I agree Pete |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:06) if it works better than the LA feeds |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:06) The shorthand is not helpful in the long run |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:07) So have there been any decent arguments in Cairo today ? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:08) ICANN is a CONSENSUS based organization... Decent?? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:08) Arguments? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:09) lol Pete |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:09) I'm told the ccTLD meeting yesterday was contentious |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:10) as in Country Code TLD |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:10) Yes. The Antartica cc was transferred and some people |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:10) thought that there should have been more notice of the transfer |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:11) Yes - Antarctica TLD is now hosted by an ISP here in New Zealand |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:11) Correct Pete |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:12) who was it transferred from, and why? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:12) I understand the 3 NZ'ers made strong submissions on many issues at the ccTLD Meg |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:13) I wasn't there so I'm not clear on who said what |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:13) I guess it all depends on what and who is authorized to make decisions for the government of a country :-) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:13) Not sure of the reasons hta - probably money |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:13) evolutionary process is very correct - no thinking - just trial and error. Well said Roberto |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:14) But there is no Government of Antarctica - and many countrys collectively administer the continent |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:14) Yes, this one is tougher than most, I think |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:14) which is why I put the smiley there... how do you define "government" in all these cases. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:15) And of course, not every cc for a nation-state is controlled by the government of the nation-state |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:15) yeah, that's such an odd detail... |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:15) An artifact of the Internet's history |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:15) :) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:16) remember the cctld's were basically gifts from IANA to it's friends via the generousity of Jon Postel. Now governments want them and ICANN serves it's governments well. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:16) That's one interpretation |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:16) If any of you wish to view the comments received |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:16) Other interpretations welcome :-) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:16) that's the only interpretation - it is clearly recorded in internet history - if you bother to look at the archives. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) how far has the arguments for ccTLD's gone. Such as I know palastine has one, even though they don't quite have a country yet. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) has other groups come forward |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) like native americans? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) to view the comments, use the links on broadcast page |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) The True baptista - now there is some poitential profits to be made, Governments are rusging to take control where they can. We still owe a huge amount of gratitude to Postel |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) we've only received tech questions so far |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:17) Splinter groups in whats left of russia/CCCP? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:18) I can see it now, representing the Sioux nation of Native American indians... the .SX cctld |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:18) I don't know the answer to that, Duran, but it can only be a matter of time |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:18) Someone let Roberto know the GA want's roberts rules of order - as opposed to the Harald and Roberto show. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:18) :) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:18) we can organize ourselves - provided we had opportunity |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:19) I recommend /ignore baptista. |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:19) Is anthony rutkowski here ??? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:20) yes Harald - you would recommend that - remember - what you say here reflects on ICANN in respect of your position as the Alternate to the GA - an illegal alternate in my opinion. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:21) tony is here #ICANN-Cai AnthonyRut H AnthonyRut@fractal.chaos.com (Java User) |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:22) thanks |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:23) the DNSO website need a search function. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:23) Looks like alot of commercial sponsors up there on the banner |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:23) well, those CRT's have to be donated by someone :) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:23) scribe notes are fresh for those of you on the non-augmented feed |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:24) Whatever it was (knocking on my wood desk) ... I've had the augmented feed for 21 minutes without a major lost of A/V (no requirement to stop and restart the feed) |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) 40 here. from cairo. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) me too - someone did something right 21 mins ago. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) It would be nice for ICANN not to need sponsorship help to have a meeting |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) (knock) :) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) But it is still facing funding issues |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) either that or become completely sponsored with no membership fees... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) aggreed, but welcome to a capatalist world. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) we don't need meetings all over the world - ICANN is a 5 million dollar organization doing the Job Dr. Postel did for $600,000. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) The only way that would happen is through net tax on domain names Meg... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) keep letting us know if the feeds go down... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:25) that would be fun (taxes) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:26) each hit charge a .005$ tax :) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:26) taxes would not be a wise move |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:26) :-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:26) aggred, taxes would slow the growth |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:26) ICANN have tried to tax ..com names before.. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:26) let alone trying to figure out how to do it |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) wow. Video from Cairo just went black and white... |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) ICANN is in a difficult position |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) One reason we have taxes |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) ICANN wanted $1 per domain name registration/renewal |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) Is that we would rather have something provided by a non-commercial entity |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) We're switching between cameras to give you a better picture :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) ok |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) Than by a corporate entity |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:27) The net is now much more than .com/.net/.org... it's all the ccTLDs, IP address blocks, and any future other new TLD's that get allowed. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) real good view of those monitors |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) ;-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) :) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) True Pete |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) this one is going to be a fun speaker |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) hmm. not aclu... not cpsr... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) yep... |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:28) :) |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:29) cdt |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:29) recommenders of delay. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:29) roberto is on the hot seat. watch roberto weasil out of this one. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:29) Those yankees trying to conrtol the world again :-) |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:29) heh |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:30) For the MA citizens, Scott Harshbarger is the last AG before the current one |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:30) where can I get a copy of this report? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:30) harshbarger also was the dem. nominee for governor against celucci... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:31) they're giving out the report here |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:31) duran: try www.cdt.org |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:31) and I would hope it's available online! |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:31) study is at: http://www.cdt.org/dns/icann/study/ |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:31) thanks jay |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) thanks |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) so, did I hear, this is Scott Harshberger? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) there goes the feed... |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) talk about insanity |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) yeah, me too |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) only congestion here. |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) samw |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:32) me too |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) it's everyone with an email address all jumping onto the feed at once :-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) ooops |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) ouch. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) hey, were is everyone going? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) uh |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:33) this is not looking good =] |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) was that everyone at the conference? |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) theyre ISP killer daemon kicked em heheh |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) egypt just got bombed by the UN who wants to take over ICANN and through it the world. either that or it's DR evil |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) my feeds are down. typical icann ying yang |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) is anyone still here in cairo? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) heh |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) Al Gore wants to REALLY take the credit for starting up the internet, and this is the only way possible :-) |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) Duran: :-)_ |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) Video and audio really broken here now :-( |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) or. some Balistic Sub just bumped up against one of the under see cables... |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:34) well, let's see how that reliable audio is doing... |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) main video feed out. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) lolol Duran |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) cairo video feed ot connecing. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) is anyone getting anything? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) wait, I think I have connection again.. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) it's buffering, |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) I quit the player, and restarted it |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:35) I have a feed, but i's just static, and now it's congested. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:36) still static |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:36) no video, just audio |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:36) I am told the link no longer exists :-(( |
| <JanusBooysen> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:36) nothing here |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:36) I can get to the link, but it's just static |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:37) ok - I guess the cdt guy will keep ranting until it's fixed, so we won't lose anything :-9 |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:37) :) |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:37) wow. there's some conspiracy theory for you, eh? |
| <JanusBooysen> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) secondary audio seems to be back |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) sorry folks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) we lost all 'net in the room there for a minute] |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) when that happens, switch to our audio feeds |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) are you in cairo? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) yes |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) what happenned? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) our audio feeds aren't dependent on the local net |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) but are sent via phone lines to cambridge |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) as a backup |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) LA feed is buffering... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) analog, right? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) it's real shitty, I can't make it out. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:38) Still nothing here in NZ - still I guess its half a world away... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) I don't know what happened, but all the hubs in the room went black |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) for a few minutes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) including the ones not at the tech table |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) it must have been coolio, and that W guy who hacked amazon, and yahoo a few weeks ago :) |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) oi |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) esters look nice |
| <DSims> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) LA feed's back up |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:39) try reconnecting to the vid feeds and let me know. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:40) I have audio and video out of cairo |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:40) Nothing here yet John :-( |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:40) i got audio and video back |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:40) try the berkman center feed |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:40) i have a/v from cairo |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:40) so, the conspiritors here at hampshire thing ICANN was censoring the CDT guy :) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:41) I think remote comments may be read shortly if anyone wants to submit one |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:41) think, not thing. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:41) no luck. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:41) thats, Hampshire College, Amherst MASS, www.hampshire.edu, and yes, I enjoy my responsibility to represent the school :) |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:42) Hi people, I'm from Madagascar and we're planning to create an ISOC chapter for Madagascar. CAn anyone be of some help? |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:42) berkman/cairo feed working. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:43) does madagascar have a ccTLD? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:43) Rak, although starting an ISOC chapter is a great topic generally |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:43) Finally back with a/v here :-)) |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:43) Augmented and Primary down... I'm getting the RV feed from Berkman Center |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:43) We need to try to stay on ICANN here |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:44) We only have a TLD, I don't really understand what you mean by ccTLD Duran |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:44) Country Code Top LEvel Domain |
| <ronibass> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:44) if u need some help sent me mail to roni@isoc.org.il and i will heppy to help u |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) Such as .uk for United Kingdom |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) Okay, ours is .MG |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) ok |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) Thanks roni |
| <ronibass> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) u well come no pro. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) Which country is that RAKO ? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) Folks, the augmented scribe's notes should be working again. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:45) They went down when our 'net got lost. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:46) Yep thanks Ben |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:46) My ricochet modem wouldn't have helped you there this time :-) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:46) in the meantime, you can check the html version on the broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:47) and Pete was a saint for us in LA! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:47) .mg is madagascar |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:47) .MG stands for Madagascar, an island in the indian Ocean. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:48) Closest to the coast of Africa RAKO ? |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:49) keith: if you've seen a map of Africa, it's the big island to the east of the bottom. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:49) yeah, the big one one the east coast of africa |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:49) Near Mozambique, Keith. We need to increase the use of Internet here in MAdagascar even if on the other hand we have low bandwidth. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) what is your current international bandwidth? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) 2.5mbps from cairo. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) I am in New Zealand - I supply Internet to the Tokelau Islands - they only have two international phone lines, and connect at best at 4800... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) sorry, I mean Madagascar |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) plus tons from la and cambridge. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) sorry. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:50) np |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) My company is currently negotiating to be the official registrar of |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) one small country in CEntral America |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) Well, we only have 128 Kbps for our international line |
| <MRODRIGUEZ> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) Can any body provide any help here ?? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) this will be long winded. i hope he keeps it short |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) wow, you guys do cool stuff, I'm just an undergrad:) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) who is he baptista? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:51) Amadeus |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) mozart? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) very long winded :-) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) Abril i Abril |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) ok |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) amadeus an icann board member. talks alot - like my spanish uncle. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) thx |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) for fun, sometime check out the names council archive |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) from santiago |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:52) Thats 26 times greater bandwidth than the Tokelaus have RAKO - and they have to use that for phone calls too ... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:53) amusing amadeu moments with zittrain there |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:53) santiago - he talked alot too. i wonder if he'll top himself. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:53) as they'd say here, in'shallah... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:53) :-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:53) how many people live in tokelaus Keith? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:54) 1,500 in total Duran... - If you go there - you have to wait 3 months for the return boat trip... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:54) wow |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:54) Kornfeld |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:54) She works for CDT |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:54) ah, meg has the luxury of no realplayer lag |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:54) :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) yeah, she gets reality :) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) I hear there still in beta with that though :) |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) Well Keith, once you're in you'll need higher bandwidth. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) Yep - just building satellite for them to use RAKO :-) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) she's actually with the ACM |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:55) Association for Computing Machinery |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:56) who is speaking? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:56) Dori Kornfeld is the female voice |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:56) Sorry, I thought she was CDT |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:57) (that's a new one - scribe's notes gets the remark to me n seconds before audio feed...) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:57) Sheppard was the male voice |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:57) Roberto is speaking now |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:57) Wow - huge a/v lag here then John... |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:57) Sorry not to have appreciated the lag: she is Dori Kornfeld from the Association for Computing Machinery |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:58) anytimes he talks phylosophy - it's roberto's version of visiting the holodeck. |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:58) either that or the Delta Quadrant on the other side of a wormhole :-) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:59) your Delta Quadrant is better then my holodeck as descriptive |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:59) wow |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:59) interesting philosophy |
| <RAKOTONDRAMANANAHeryZo> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:59) Gotta go people. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 03:59) coffee break outside? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) what is he talking about? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) there's a coffee break for the folks in the room going on |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) It gets noisy in here when the door to the foyer opens |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) sounds like he wants to do away with mailing list discussions |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) his purpose on the GA is to filter out those voices who icann disagrees with. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) he just totally discredited the GA |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) so, baptista, I hate to pry, but am I accurate in saying you don't like ICANN? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:00) he's talking about censorship - he's avoiding being accountable with philosophy |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:01) baptista is explicitly out to wreck ICANN - he claims credit for any chaos he can find. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:01) the ga is very badly descredited - alot of scolars left because of the censprship |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:01) Richard Lindsay is now speaking |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:02) meg, the video feed is latent by like 30-45 seconds to MA. just so you know. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:02) no i like ICANN - the theory is good - unfortunately ICANN is nothing but a net takeover attempt by IBM - with the presidents blessing. they are making themselves very irrelevant |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:02) And I believe that an uncensored list was available as well |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:03) hmm |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:03) so, everyone is blasting the GA right now in that room. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:03) no the GA is nothing more then a mess. No one bothers with it anymore. And critical people left it. Maybe Harald - who is here can provide his impressions |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:03) Hello Joop :-) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) Hello All. Hello Keith and Anthony. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) We're going to have more remote comments read shortly |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) Pity you are not there in person Joop :-( |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) Including, I believe, one from Joop |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) Yes. I will be in Yokohama, though. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) joop, I'm about to read your comment after kathy |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:04) you have not missed much Joop - Roberto is being grilled to a light medium texture |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) Cairo was just a bridge too far, this time. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) wow |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) Who was the lady speaking on behalf of the indivs? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) Kleinman |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) they really are taking him on... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) No the other lady |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) what is roberto's full name? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:05) She gave the Non-commercial constituency report earlier |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) Gaetano |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) Roberto Gaetano. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) thx |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) well - yes - you have to understand that Harald and Roberto completely distroyed the crdibility of the GA. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) Is she part of the NDNHC? |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) yes. Representative of ACM. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:06) Roberto Gaetano - employed and sponsored in thei shame by the International Automic Energy Commission |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) What's her name? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) Kathy Kleinman |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) hey mako |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) No No, I know Kathy. I mean the slender lady. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) Dori Something, I think? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) Would guess that's Dori Kornfeld of ACM also |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) blond lady? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) kornfeld, Dori Kornfeld, i think |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) jeez, that lag is awful |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:07) he should just start singing jingle bells - he's making no sense |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:08) she sat down minutes ago. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:08) outreach = censorship |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:08) how? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:08) heh. that's not quite the usual meaning of the term. :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) I made a comment on the GA vs. NC . Not read out yet. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) joop, just read it. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) That Microsoft sign looks more than a little ominous to me :-) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) time the lag for us! |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) looks like ~45 seconds for Massachusetts |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:09) good comment |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) Joops name just mentioned here |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) anyone on the GA who is not appreciated get's censored. It happened to me, and I was responsible for leaving them all with egg on their face. They could not censor me and eventually even admitted it was happening. Then we had forged elections, which the GA chairs and cohair intended to be forged. This is a comedy - sort of |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) KeithDavidson: the one right next the mci sign? |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) Has anything been said about the NSI buy out/merger? |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) KeithDavidson: <grin> |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) Not that I've heard |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) However, it may have been discussed in the registrar/registry meeting |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) forged elections huh? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:10) Yes makolee |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:11) Well that was the longest non-answer I have ever heard Joop... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:11) :) |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:12) how is the GA rep chosen? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:12) Joop can tell us about that one - JoopTeernstra who is here - advised them the election could be tampered with. They knew in advance, and still held a poll, knowing full well it could have been cheeted on, and Joop even recommened to them a process which would be tamper free. Harald - who is here can tell us his reason for this experiment. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:12) if there's such dissatisfaction w/ him... |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:12) the GA chair is chosen by the NC after nomination by the GA members. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:13) nc= name committy right? as in domain names? |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:13) council |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:13) he was appointed by the NC. We never elected the Harald and Roberto show, they were imposed on us as part of ICANN's bottom up process |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:13) In the nomination process, no more than about 15 people bothered to give an opinion, but most of those favored Roberto. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:14) Baptista dislikes him intensely. Everyone else (apart from Jeff Williams & clones) seems fairly happy. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:14) (stepping away for a minute, I've got info burn, [3 browsers, irc, real player, and caffene...]) |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:14) what about the talk of brain drain? |
| <PeteBowden> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:14) Is "hta" "harald"? |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:14) Yes. Harald Tveit Alvestrand is my full name. And I've got /ignore baptista, so I don't see what he's typing. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:15) Roberto was not favoured. And no one really bother to vote anymore because we know anyone we pick will not eventually get the job. hta hates to be reminded of that. When the fradulent elections were exposed, Roberto said it was part of an experiment, so I guess we in the GA are experiments |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:15) (good people leaving GA frustrated) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:16) lots of frustrated people jumped ship. Some of the biggest names on the net. Now all we have are lawyers with personality issue. very drab. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:16) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:17) thanks John |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:17) no worries, joop |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:18) most of the discourse on the GA for the last 3-4 months, is who is real and who is not real. the best discussion was when we decided to use roberts rules of order to actually get work done - instead we got the Harald and Roberto show - very drab |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:18) anyone know how many people are in the room? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:18) In the chat room or the real room? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:18) real room isn't nearly full |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:18) I presume you mean real, so I'd say maybe 75 |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:18) Lots more are outside talking, however |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:19) roberto looks like frank fanego, PCCF's former chair. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) PCCF? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) can someone find out what the pow wow outside the room is about? that seems like real action - you berkman boys know what's happening |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) And we have about 70 people signed up to watch remotely |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) meg, do you know who this guy is? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) Duran, could you drop me an email? I don't have your address here |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) sure |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:20) seriously. what IS going on outside? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:21) There is coffee outside, and people are networking, etc |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:21) ahh. coffee. ;) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:21) PCCF - funny you should ask, were Planet Communications and Computing Facility, a thorn in ICANN's side. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:21) AC for people |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:22) email sent meg. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:22) Hmm, remember Kent and Dave's radar screen? :-) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) PCCF Duran was accused by Robert Shaw of the ITU, also GAC representative and good friend of Roberto - anyway we were accused of being NSI spies. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) nice |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) John, are the attendant roughly the same crowd as in Berlin? Or are there univ. students in the room? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) a first |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) I wasn't in Berlin, so I can't speak to that |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) is there a complete list of sponsors online? these are just conference sponsors right? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) I had the lovely gig of running the servers all night :0 |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:23) Same a s Santiago? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:24) but it's reminscent of the crowd in Santiago, without the students |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:24) so it feels a little less like donahue, as no one is roaming the aisles with microphones |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:24) There were not many students in Santiago. That was just a myth. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:24) down again. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:24) there were a lot of students helping out, but not voting, |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) sorry if I gave the wrong impression... |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) Joop, are you there or in Kiwi World? BobC |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) up again. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) yes. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) In Auckland. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) Are you in Japan, Bob? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) I can't get the audio or video, I had it but it went away. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:25) So *nearly* in kiwiworld Joop :-) |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:26) Bob, try pressing Play again on your RealPlayer. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:26) down again. also, scribe notes off. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:27) Duran and other Hampshire folks, I am responding to email as it comes in |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:27) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:27) up again. no notes. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:27) So feel free to get in touch with me there as needed |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:28) I don't see "play" on RealVideo. BobC |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:28) Meg - I appreciate your support of the propaganda campaign - enjoy |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:28) Gabe, John Barker is here in Tokyo with AOL and wants your Email address. BobC |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:28) MegSmith: does the java client not have support for '/msg' messaging? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:29) So the America's Cup is once again Auckland's Cup...lol - nearly went to the parade in Wellington today Joop |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:29) Sorry, Mako, just referring to email for anything easier done that way |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:30) Makolee, try double-clicking on the person you'd like to send a private message to. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:30) I believe that's comparable to (indeed, is!) the /msg functionality you're looking for. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:30) I get up to Auckland every few months- why ? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:30) Whoever told me to press "play", I can't find it. BobC |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:30) play: "|>" |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:31) mmmm, ascii |
| <MarcHolitscher> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:31) Will there be a webcast of the GAC open session this morning? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:31) whoo hoo, 430am ! |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:31) BenEdelman: i'm in bitchX actually.. the linux irx client |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:31) Sounds good - I'll e-mail you when planning the next trip Joop |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:31) BenEdelman: irc |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:32) 10.30pm here Duran |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:32) GAC Public Forum will be webcast, but not open session |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:32) what does that mean? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:32) We can only webcast one meeting at a time, unfortunately |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:32) oh, after the fact. gotcha. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:32) the real work of GAC goes on in secreat - and the show is public |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) we're taping it and will archive it for public consumption... |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) Robert, how are you doing? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) should be up this afternoon cairo time |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) you mean all gac meetings are now open? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) Thats what Government is all about baptista ;-) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) joe, no idea on that one. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) Joop I double clicked. BobC |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:33) but I do know this (and it's not uvula) - we're taping the morning session today |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) who is the short haired lady now? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) and will make it available. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) Elisabeth Porteneuve |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) thx |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) Actually, it might be Elizabeth |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) well - Tony Rukowski - who is here with us today - crashed the GAC with a southern bell last time in LA |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) It's Elisabeth. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:34) Of the several feeds, which is the most likely to work from Japan? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Elizabeth is ASNIC ? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Joe, on the eating crow front |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) That's Elizabeth - official GA censor, works for the french government |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Elisabeth is the list manager for DNSO - lives in France. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Ben misunderstood my question and thought I meant the public forum |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) and told me it was being taped |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) so I gave you bad info. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) My apologies, flame away... |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Robert, it depends more on backbone connection, not on geography. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) I truly thought we were taping it. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Elisabeth is fromn AFNIC |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) thanks hta |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:35) Try them all? Should only take a minute each, right? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) thanks Joop |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) japan, I'd go for the LA connection, makes sense |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) Folks, on the subject of the GAC Public Forum that takes place next... |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) It will be webcast with remote participation, just like this meeting. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) Takes much more than that to test each of them. I'm on a pretty good ISDN line, but it takes eons to get a response. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) great Ben |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) The webcast archive will be posted on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:36) just like the rest of the archives. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:37) Sorry for the confusion -- we got our wires crossed on this end about what we were talking about. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:37) OK - I could be wrong on that - never looked into it. Why then does Elizabeth have a french government address as part of her email address? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:37) To be clear on the GAC front - there *is* a closed GAC meeting going on this morning |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:38) We are only webcasting a public session after that meeting |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:38) That's the official word. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:38) Again, my apologies for giving you bad info, joe. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:39) Keith, what do you think of that budget? 250.000 US$ |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:39) $25000 for the website alone! |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:39) I guess I'll close my connections and try again. Doe the Boston connection work? Which is the more reliable, primary or secondary? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:40) hey, I'll charge them 3'000 as long as there isn't significant backend work that needs to happen :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:40) Bob, I'm using the Cairo connection |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:40) for the web site? shouldn't this kind of thing generally be done volunteer? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:40) Primary and secondary should both work the same -- consistently very well. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:40) Joop, I"ll try it. BobC |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:40) They're as reliable as the main Harvard ethernet connections -- double T3's, etc. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) hey, enough of that helpful volunteer stuff. this is a market economy, right? :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) I volunteered to do it in Berlin. Elisabeth preferred to do it herself. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) nope. open source economy. :P |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) you don't understand Duran - there is no fiscal accountability, $25,000 is what they want to spend and that's what's going to happen. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) Duran, shall we ask them to put it to tender? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) Sorry Joop - missed that - but hey, I would take 10% off that figure and do their web site... |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:41) you should Joop. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:42) Good idea Joop |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:42) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:42) here comes our long winded amadeus - i actually enjoy hearing him talk |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:42) sounds like music |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:42) yeah, good idea. (though honestly, I don'[t know if I'm in a place to help them out, <plug>www.alphex.com</plug> |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:42) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:43) Joe, you haven't experienced it from close up... |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:43) the website hardware should be peanuts. the website maintenance is expensive (man-hours), and should be listed as that. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:43) aggreed |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:43) DuranGoodyear: no flash on websites for standards organizations. ;) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:43) :) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:44) sounds sensible jc42 |
| <makolee> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:44) hta: still.. 250000? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:44) Republicans Abroad will meet in the Cairo Capital Club on 11 Marcy. BobC |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:44) i'd cut him short - i'm portugese - we know how to get windbags going. i actually enjoy listening to him - almost as much as he enjoys listening to himself |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:44) Some people need to realise just how slow Internet access is for *millions* of net users... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) It's a very simple website. What it needs is good navigation and useful cointent, apart from the "official" content. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) Ok, we've just stopped for a break |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) And a lot of copy would be supplied for cut and paste too Joop ? |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) well, joop, if someone wants to fly me out to europe for the summer, I'd LOVE to work on teh website. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) The lag has disappeared here now Meg... |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) thank you meg - very observant - and well said. your a good hostess |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:45) hell, you wouldn't have to pay me, just house me and feed me. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:46) :) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:46) Government Advisory Committee Public Forum will be up next |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:46) Yes. Sure. The important part is to get DNSO agreement on parts of the content. Website by committee is nightmare for webmaster. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:46) probably Elisabeth's point.... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:46) hey, I'm just design and implementation, not content. |
| <hta> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:47) ok got to go. CU! |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:47) Sounds like we could take 20% off Joop ;-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:47) <plug>www.alphex.com</plug> :) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:47) lol Duran |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:47) that should be fun - the GAC - if the CDT people join in - of course well hear the regular fanfair of the GAC / ICANN bylaws - then Toomey (it is Toomey right) will run through his list of countries - that will all be ornerous - but if the CDT get's him on the carpet - it might be fun |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:48) the name is Paul Twoomey |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:48) I'm a skinny guy, aside from the air fare, I promise I won't eat any where near $250,000 :) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:49) <plug> imachination.com :-) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:49) Even eating it in $100 denominations would still take a while Duran. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:49) :) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:49) You have to remember Duran, the process has been hijacked by civil servants, and $250,000 won't do it, they will gross their budget - draw overruns etc. etc. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:49) Dear Colleagues, I think I"ll reboot and try again, over and our 9almost as much fun as my first cystal set, what?;-} |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) That was "over and out". |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) lol Robert |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) pretty site joop |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) Bob , you're getting through fine |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) Yes, but I can't hear the conference. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) for anyone who's interested - here is a list of chat room participants. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai LBJTropica H LBJTropica@128.171.219.45 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai RobertConn H RobertConn@tc-2-1-157.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai JoopTeerns H JoopTeerns@203.97.44.250 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai makolee H% makolee@atdot.hampshire.edu (* I'm to lame to read BitchX.doc *) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai jessicanel H jessicanel@hc193-122.hampshire.edu (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai BenEdelman H BenEdelman@212.103.165.5 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:50) #ICANN-Cai MegSmith H MegSmith@212.103.165.13 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai ronibass H ronibass@212.103.165.26 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai JohnWilban H JohnWilban@212.103.165.6 (Java User) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) Thanks , Duran. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai KeithDavid H KeithDavid@202.36.183.76 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai baptista H% baptista@cynikal.net (Joe Baptista) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai TGraham H TGraham@zittrain-2.law.harvard.edu (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai JanusBooys H JanusBooys@196.25.213.30 (Java User) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai jc42 H% josh@hc192-178.hampshire.edu (* I'm to lame to read BitchX.doc *) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai DuranGoody H Goodyear@hc194-43.hampshire.edu (Duran) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) #ICANN-Cai bot H% service2@conference.room (A Server Bot) |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:51) Bye |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:52) yeah. that's a nice looking site |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:52) reminds me of copyleft's layout... |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:54) spam filters activated... |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:54) got to make a living too, apart from all this fruitless politicking. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:54) :-) |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:55) So true Joop - but someone has to do it.. |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:55) well, I'm to sleep. I hate being awake until dawn. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:55) goodnight |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:55) see you duran, meg |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:55) seeya jc42 |
| <jc42> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:55) night |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:59) well, it's 5am here as well. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:59) Is IDNO making progress now Joop ? (or is this not the place to ask) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:59) and I've (kinda) got to get up in the morning. |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 04:59) I'm sure I'll see you again as teh week goes on |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:00) poor excuse Duran :-) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:00) :) |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:00) you'll miss the sunrise duran |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:00) ha ha ha |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:00) I've seen it enough times this past 5 days already... |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:01) and hey, for those who care, I'm cheap, fly me to europe, I'd love to do that site :) |
| <DuranGoodyear> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:01) good night |
| <LBJTropicalMedicalCenter> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:06) when does the GAC open session begin? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:06) It should be beginning shortly |
| <LBJTropicalMedicalCenter> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:06) thank you |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:07) Thanks Meg - can see them filing back in |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:07) Ve got gut neus, und ve got bad neus: First the gut neus. I rebooted and changed ISPs from GOL.COM (recently bought by Exodus) to UU.Net. The gut neus is that I can now see and hear the meeting room. Now, the bad neus. Nothing's happening. BobC |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:07) We're working on getting the webcast back in color from both cameras |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:07) No meeting is going on right now, Robert |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:08) Nothing happening is a *bad thing* Robert ?? Might be the best thing that happens at Cairo ;-) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:08) So the bad neus is gut neus -- if you saw something, *that* would be bad neus |
| <LBJTropicalMedicalCenter> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:09) everyone's just gone to lunch |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:09) Just a lota folk running about, but I CAN see and hear them. Oh, there's somebody near a mike! |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:10) Babe Batista: John Barker works for AOL in Japan now. He says you sent him on his first Japan assignment for GE many eons ago. He'd like to know your Email address. BobC |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:12) Any idea how long till they resume Meg ? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:13) Babe: Oops, it's John Barber:-{ Regards, BobC |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:14) Not quite sure. I thought they were starting again at noon here, but clearly not. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:15) btw - while its quiet - thanks Ben for your efficiency in keeping us informed over the past coupole of weeks - its been great. |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:16) Might switch RealPlayer to Southpark channel for a while - need something serious for a change :-) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:19) Ben will thank you when he gets back -- we're fixing a few things |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:20) The GAC morning meeting is running late and that's what our hold up is now |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:22) gac must be stuck on the eu. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:22) Babe: Hello from John Barber in Tokyo. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:23) Fine, changed from ISP GOL.COM to UU.Net and now I can hear everythig, but there's nothing to hear:-( |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:23) Just a reminder folks - refresh your broadcast page so that you'll get the correct materials once the GAC folks get going...otherwise you'll see materials from the GA meeting this morning. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:23) i hear room noise - people taking in background |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:24) yep, that's the sound of folks schmoozing... |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:24) Did you read what I wrote about John Barber, Babe? |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:29) . |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:30) hopefully shaw will stay sober this evening and not insult anyone. he's on a short lease at the itu these days. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:31) i spoke too soon - roberto and shaw together = drinking party. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:31) i just remembered that |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:31) were you there Joop, when shaw was drunk around the canadian reps in berlin? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:32) i was talking with Sexton's wife once - he smoked all her cigrarettes - promised to replace them - never did - typical civil servant ;-) lot's of stories that night |
| <KeithDavidson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:36) bbl all |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:38) Hold on a little longer, guys -- GAC should be on their way shortly, we hope. |
| <JanusBooysen> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:43) I have to go, it's been interesting, thanks. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:48) All those who have seen at least one Internet meeting start on time, say "!" |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:57) Hi Jay |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:58) Is Jay Bregman there? |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 05:59) Thanks |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:00) Sure is taking a long time to get started. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:00) no kidding. tech team would love to actually eat lunch :-) |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:01) Hi Jay - are you there? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:01) My screen turned black, yours too? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:02) seems like the i-dns people are there in droves |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:02) my video feed is black too |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:02) feed went down for a few seconds, it's back now. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:02) Video is back. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:03) ahaa, there it is |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:03) its back, thanks |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:03) Jay - I have video also! |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:06) Jay, I'm weakening!!! I can hear talking in the background & I have video of a conference room (Large chandelier) |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:07) Can you see the private window? |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:07) Where? |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:07) Double click on my name |
| <DavidBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:07) Nothing happens |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:09) My second window came up way on top of the screen |
| <MatthewEnger> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:10) is there only background noise on the feed at the moment? |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:10) double click my name |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:10) Yep |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:10) yep. everything is way late... |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:10) And yes, the meeting has not started yet |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:11) Do you get cut off if you don't post something every so often? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:12) I don't think so |
| <MatthewEnger> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:12) /version |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:12) depends on the client - you should not be cut off as a rule |
| <KennethVestergaard> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:13) isn't it like 5 hours since the meeting should have started? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:13) Kenneth, the morning session of the GA already finished. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:13) The GAC isn't here. |
| <ErikGravgaard> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:13) Does anyone know ehat is happening down there? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:13) So we're going ahead with the NC meeting. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:13) no - were about 45 minutes late - at least the morning started late |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:14) The NC members are starting to sit down on the dais, which is a good sign |
| <KennethVestergaard> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:15) ohh... ok |
| <KennethVestergaard> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:15) so what happened on the morning session? |
| <KennethVestergaard> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:19) how many meetings are there going to be on a daily basis? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:19) Kenneth, the morning session is archived in http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive (which will soon be linked from your broadcast pages) |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:19) (soon == within the next two minutes) |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:20) Hi! |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:20) How many meetings a day? See the authoritative schedule at http://www.icann.org/cairo2000/cairo-details.htm#schedule . |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:21) I know only you Meg, among the participants here... |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:21) Glad to see you |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:22) Thanks... I have been watching Cario meeting |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:23) Do I see Amadeu? |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:23) Meg, are you in the US or Egypy right now? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:23) He is here but I don't see him right now |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:23) I'm in Cairo |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:24) It's lunch break or? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:24) The Names Council meeting should be starting in the next five or ten minutes |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:24) The members are all on the dais now |
| <KennethVestergaard> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:25) (... I'm new ...) what will they discuss? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:25) An announcement was just made that it will be in five minutes |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:25) They will discuss the General Assembly report and will hear reports from the various working groups, among other things |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:26) Oh yes... They are starting.. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:26) Boy, there's a time lag, it took 30 seconds for me to hear that announcement *after* I read the statement, abov |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:27) 30 seconds means nothing ! :) |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:28) Is there a way to see the items posted by others? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:28) Sorry, items posted by others? |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:29) I've just sent one through the message form in the Berkman page |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:30) I hear Ken Stubbs. |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:30) The voice can be heard very clear form Istanbul too! |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:30) Bob, what did Ken do , before he got with CORE? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:31) I was asking abut the postings which are seen by the attendants at the physical meeting, are they visible to us? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:31) He's a 'CPS' He was posted to Taiwan at one time with General Instruments. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:32) Robert, I think you are talking about remote comments that get read to the meeting at various points, yes? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:32) Tha's "CPA". |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:32) We've only gotten one in the last few minutes and it was blank |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:32) Accountant? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:32) Yep |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:33) Submitted comments are all online and publicly visible to all |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:33) a CPA with lot's of creditors |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:33) To us, too? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:34) I mean, visible to us, too? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:36) If you open another window and look at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/broadcast.asp>, you can choose Current Substantive Comments in the third box down |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:36) There is only one Turkish representative among the atendees I think... |
| <AvniyeTansug> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:42) He's speaking too much GE-oriented...! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:43) html scribe notes are current |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:43) Robert, did I answer your question? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:43) Is this where they are posted? DNSO Names Council Substantive Real-Time Comments as of |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:43) and I received a completely blank comment through the system...no text, name, anything, just blank |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:43) Yes |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:44) That's what I think I am looking at. I guess it means there are no comments yet. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:44) That's right. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:44) Folks, remember that we reset the real-time comment list between meetings. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:44) Archived comments are in /icann/cairo/archive |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:44) (accessible through the bottom of the READ section) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:46) actively monitor is ICANN speak for censorship |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:46) Perhaps I'm in the wrong window, I don't see READ. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:47) In the main broadcast page, at http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/broadcast.asp , you'll see a "How to Read" section. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:47) It's the third box where you chose the Current Substantive Comments |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:47) look at that guy smile as he digs roberto. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:48) Third box where it says "How to: READ"? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:48) Yes |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:49) filter out = censorship |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:49) I presume we should click on one of the hyperlinks, "Surrent substantive comment"? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:49) Yes |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:50) urrent substantive comments"? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:50) Ouch, Current |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:50) That's right -- and you'd go to the fifth box to submit a comment |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:51) i wonder if they'll ask him about all the people who abandoned the GA in disgust. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:51) Or simply to the bottom of that page |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:51) That's where I was, no comments yet? I can understand that. |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:52) baptista: what sort of ideas were being censored? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:52) No comments yet, but you could change that! |
| <MatthewEnger> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:53) heh |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:53) How about Lincoln's Gettysberg Address? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:53) That would be a comment, but I don't know that it would get read aloud in its entirety |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:53) ;>) |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:54) you have to review the GA to get a feel for it - i could not do justice to it in irc |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:54) ok |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:55) That's all we need, Roberto,, GA members bounging about WG-C:-( |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:55) ... bouncing |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:55) it was almost a six month ordeal - i was censored and they refused to even acknowledge it - until i put pressure on them - i refused to be censored - that why they imposed open rules on censoring people - now anyone who is filtered is announced |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:56) what were you sayingthat upset them so much? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:58) theonly reason why icann is in control of the root servers is because the people who use the internet don't know there are options - that's one thing they hate hearing. The EU has given ICANN an ultimatume, if they don't get dot.eu - they'll start their own roots. That's the fireworks I'm here to see. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 06:59) this is all cream on the pudding - so far I'm impressed - they have managed not to mention my name |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:00) Hmmmm, from what I see of you just in the short time I have been in here, you appear to be one of those types with a self inflated sense of importance. Perhaps they haven't mentioned you because you don't merit mentioning? |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:01) ok, i'll do it now |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:02) they mentioned me at the last NC meeting - it's part of the public record. Something they should not of done. I personally have little interest in attention - I get it as a default of my actions. |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:03) *shrug* from what I see here you appear to seek attention. I've always found that those types tend to say they don't seek it, but really thrive on it. You fit the profile so far. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:03) that a big problem - what she is going on about - the GA is not empowered and it has been the chairs and alternates goal to keep it that way - very shameful |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:04) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:04) is an online participation coordinator in here? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:04) look - i get media attention period. it's all part of the game. the only good thing about it - is when your famous - people don't bother you. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:04) Yes, we are here |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) I have a question, where are the online comments being placed on the website? |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) So far the links on the site say no comments exist |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) make sure you refresh your broadcast page |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) or your comments will get sent into the wrong lace |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) place :-) |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) If you go to <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/broadcast.asp> and go to the third box down (the Read) box, you can choose Current Substantive Comments to view any comments |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:05) meg- email is sent |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:06) Thanks Jessica |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:06) The GA is no intested in having it's opinions count - they are interested in being empowered and having their decisions honoured. |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:06) Yes, Meg, I did that |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:06) none of the links there contain any current or prior posts |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:06) There are no current comments; to submit one, scroll down to the bottom of the page |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:07) There haven't been any comments at all in this meeting |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:07) Prior posts (from this morning's GA meeting) are in the archive -- http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive . |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:07) the links to prior comments from earlier portions also are empty |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:07) roberto is sinking again. convoluted argument |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:07) That's because there haven;t been any |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:07) Comments from the morning meeting are in the archive already |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:08) the GA has nothing to sell????? very interesting |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:10) I just ran a test comment through and it is showing up in current and substantive - it'll show you the format |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:10) I am going to have to change the meeting section tho, so the comment will soon only show in non-substantive comments (as it's testing, it's hardly substance!) |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:10) John, do they read out comments in this meeting? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:11) There is online participation - go ahead and submit your comments |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:11) Thank you John, Ben, and Meg. Trying to get up to speed on what has occured so far today. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:11) I can't guarantee readings, but I will tell Stubbs when comments show up |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:12) eileen, I've got your comment |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:13) but they've already moved on... |
| <eileenkent> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:13) no problem john |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:13) it's archived in the substantive comments section on broadcast |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:14) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:20) Back in a second |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:23) I'm back. |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:24) well so far things seem almost scripted |
| <jessicanelson> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:24) meg- i'm going to go (breakfast time) but hopefully i'll *see* you tomorrow. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:26) html scribe notes are fresh, no new comments submitted... |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:26) no handouts -- he's had too many at core already |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:27) any record for the GAC meeting? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:28) tony - we don't even know if they are done yet with the closed meeting. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:28) I'll see if I can find out when there will be any public report |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:32) Our best report right now is that the meeting was entirely closed |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:32) thanks. It will be interesting to hear the post mortems. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:33) And that any into that comes out will be in the form of a prepared statement rather than minutes |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:34) Sorry, that should be info |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:35) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:36) BobC, I have your comment |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:36) Thanks. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:37) and there is apparently going to be an open comment period after the agenda items are completed. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:37) So I'll be reading it then in my best thespian style. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:38) anyone else out there (eileen, I'll put yours in the queue as well) who wants a comment, you've got some time to compose. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:38) This long diatribe by elizabeth is a plea to pay her money for the censorship she does now. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:39) Babe, what's your Email address? BobC |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:41) 117 persons on this Chat list? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:41) no, 117 folks have logged in over the course of the day |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:42) What % of them have used the Chat server? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:42) Don't know at the moment - we peaked around 20 people on here at one time, off the top of my head, maybe fewer... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:43) but lots of users logged in for very short periods of time |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:43) Ben will get you an answer |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:43) or at least run some statistics |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:43) once we have some time |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:43) ok? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:44) I don't currently have stats on how many distinct people have participated in the chat. Will try to tabulate as much this evening or in post-production next week. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:44) But I think the more important number is the one we showed on screen -- how many people total have joined any portion of the webcast meetings today. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:44) That's where the 117 figure came from. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:45) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:46) refresh your broadcast pages, folks |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:47) but they were offered all the money they needed for this, and refused it |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:47) When will an actual Cairo attendee list be posted. The one up on the site appears to be those who registered. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:49) good question. I don't know the answer but will try to find out, or send someone here with an answer |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:49) Hey Leon, glad you could make it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:50) Tony, I don't think they're keeping track of that - registration here is being handled by the local hosts and I don't know if they'll get us a list |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:50) I will see what I can do tho |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:54) refresh your broadcast pages again... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:54) and make sure you check out Jonathan Weinberg's WGC report, linked off the agenda page... |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 07:56) Certainly the local hosts are obliged to inform you as to who attended. |
| <JoopTeernstra> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:00) Saying goodbye to all, got to get some shuteye.4 |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:01) Goodnight, Joop! |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:02) hay jay, how're things there/ |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:04) It's not that they are refusing to tell us who is here |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:04) It's just not clear who among them is keeping the list |
| <JayBregman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:05) All is well |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:05) is that the budget thing going on right now? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:05) report on working groups |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:05) I think it has finished. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:05) refresh your broadcast page and you'll always see the current item |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:06) right, ok |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:06) in the right side of the "how to read" row of the table |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:06) I just refreshed and still see my two postings about budget. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:07) they're substantive, so they'll stay in that place all meeting and be archived permanently |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:07) but they aren't current |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:07) so they don't show there |
| <billsmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:07) is there a cctld meeting that will show on real video or no? |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:08) john, i'm getting error messages when i click on the agenda |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:09) leon, be specific. what is the error message? |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:09) error 404 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:10) anyone else having that problem? It works for me... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:10) try refreshing your browser, leon |
| <billsmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:10) i get an error |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:10) 404 as well? |
| <billsmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:10) maybe cuz i'm using netscape not sure |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:10) yeah, mine's netscape too |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:12) from what page are you two folks connecting? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:12) full URL, please |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:14) Is anyone else experiencing cutouts of the realvideo feed every ten minutes or so? |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:15) http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/realtime/broadcast.asp |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:15) John, i tried it on Explorer and it works |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:16) it has been surprisingly trouble free for me here in Japan. However, before I switched from one local ISP to UU.net, I was getting no where. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:16) I'm using Netscape 4.7. |
| <billsmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:18) is icann mention anything concerning cctld delegations or not yet? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:18) the links are all fine, just checked the html code and logged in from three different computers/browsers |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:18) and the agenda shows up loud and clear... |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:18) make sure you refresh everything. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:21) FYI - we lost our real audio feeds for a bit due to a phone disconnect, but they are all up again |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:22) realvideo archive is complete. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:22) and remember, WGC report is online at the agenda |
| <jwoods> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:28) Thank you for providing this online participation forum. I have to return to the real world now. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:34) thanks for explanation. Is Mike Palage's report anywhere? I missed most of what he said. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:35) scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:36) weinberg was the only one to provide us with a report |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:36) but you can dig back through scribe notes for the palage portions |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:39) can only find something that end with ken stubbs saying 'this borders on embarrassing' from a previous section. Am I missing something? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:43) Mark- look at roman numeral VI in the notes. you might need to refresh |
| <JonZittrain> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:45) Good morning |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:46) apologies, cache problem, as you indicated |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:46) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:46) yes |
| <LeonKoay> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:50) have a nice rest of the day, folks. keep up the good work, john & co |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:52) keep getting those video cutouts |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:52) not much we can do about the video. try a tracert from you to the server you're using; never hurts to know where the failure is. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:53) Are you using augmented feed, LA feed, or Cairo feed? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:54) LA |
| <JonZittrain> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:55) Sorry, my computer crashed. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:57) Probably here |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:57) we've been having major buffer problems from the LA servers. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:57) try the cairo feed, |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 08:57) let me know. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:00) tried, LA ok now |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:01) allrighty, just keep me posted |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:03) scribe notes are fresh |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:08) cairo feed ok, can't get augmented without change of service provider |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:08) Any Hampshire people here? |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:08) Right here! |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:08) :) |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:09) Glad to have you (it's Meg as Ben right this minute) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:11) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:23) html scribe notes are fresh |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:26) I don't think I understand what the issue is here? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:26) That's because it has become very, very convoluted |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:27) 10-minute break |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:28) I've advised the table of the comments waiting |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:28) From what it seems to me (and I ahve only been watching for a mere 20 minutes or so) they are trying to establish validity to working group proposals? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:28) but we're up against a hard deadline of 5:15 to stop the meeting |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) They are trying to decide what the process should be |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) To get the WG reports or statuses to the public and to the Board |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) and we're told there will be a GAC public forum at 5:30 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) which we will stick around to webcast |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) Any more scuttlebut on the GAC? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) The WGs have been working for eight months or so |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) although I just want to go to the bar. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) And many people complain that ICANN and its various components |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:29) never do anything |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) Tony, there's going to be the GAC public forum at 5:30 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) or so we are told |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) Some NC members want to send all reports up to the Board |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) and to the public so that the public can see that work is being done |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) The Board being the panel that is at the front of the room, yes? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) But some are concerned about sending things around before the NC is ready to endorse anything |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:30) Sorry, the Board is the ICANN Board; this group is the Names Council |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:31) The working groups are trying to reach community consensus on various issues |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:31) Unfortunately, consensus is very hard to come by |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:31) So it seems. Thanks for clarifying |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:31) Don't know that I clarified, but I certainly hope I summarized! This discussion has not been speedy |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:34) The augmented real feed that is listed first on the broadcast page seems to be sending the video signal in split screen mode |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:40) Is Tony R there? |
| <Pule> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:41) Has anyone seen Brian? |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:45) It'sd 23:45 here in Japan, hope we can wind up soon. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:46) BobC, I am in your corner on that one. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:47) Indeed |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:48) We're back on |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:55) scribe notes are fresh and the motion is at number 54 (at the bottom of your refreshed scrbe notes) |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:57) how long to restart? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 09:58) they've already begun |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:01) the deadline for closing the meeting is 15 minutes away, FYI |
| <BillBickford> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:02) What is the schedule for approval of new TLD? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:02) I don't know that anyone has an answer to that question! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:03) but do read the WGC report, linked off the agenda... |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:03) there doesn't seem to be enough consensus... |
| <BillBickford> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:03) What exactly are the next steps? |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:05) Has there been a presentation by some sort of non-commercial constinuency yet? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:06) yes, kathy kleinman made a presentation earlier |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:06) during the GA, I believe...but I'm a little fried so check the scribe notes |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:06) it's been a very long day. |
| <Choob> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:08) That's alright. My main concerns are that people are too interested in commercial aspects of the net, while a population of people who use the internet have non-commercial interest |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:08) netstat |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:09) does anyone know if GAC will start and when |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:10) v.well organised by Berkman |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:10) joe, we are told that the gac public forum will start at 5:30 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:11) FWIW |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:11) thank you |
| <BillBickford> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:11) What will be discussed bt GAC? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:12) was there anything released on the closed GAC session? |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:12) Toomey will read out the bylaws - and if were lucky we'll get the twomey list of countries which are represented on the GAC, that the highlights - the rest is your guess or mine |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:13) I have no idea what they are going to say - this was sprung on us |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:13) what was spring on you - the delay? or schedule change? |
| <BillBickford> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:13) Will the GAC meeting be simulcast? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:13) both...it was to be between the NC and the GA, but they weren't done |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:13) and asked us to stick around and webcast it |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:14) which we're going to do |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:14) although I'd rather eat a meal and have a stiff drink! |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:14) excellent - I always get a kick out of twomey - I hope the CDT people are there to grill him |
| <JanusBooysen> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:14) I'll drink a beer for u |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:14) though I don't think we will have comment submission |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:15) thanks janus, I'll drink two for me as soon as I get outta this hotel ballroom |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:15) no matter where you go, the ballroom looks the same |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:15) it looks like a small room |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:15) it is, and the chandeliers hang loooooow. |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:15) we are afraid it might get mighty crowded tomorrow. |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:16) GAC still at 5:30 |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:16) That's the info I have. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:16) yes |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:16) are you expecting something special tony? |
| <BillBickford> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:17) John, On the way back form Cairo, stop in New York City and we will have some drinks |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:17) I would also like to thank everyone in here for a good chat today |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:17) let's keep it up tomorrow, and I'd like to see more online comments submitted :) |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:17) Bill, I'll be stopping in NYC for about an hour and heading back home to see my wife |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:18) who would kill me if I took a detour for a drink! |
| <BillBickford> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:18) You can drink alot in 1 hour! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:18) but I'll take a raincheck and maybe sometime we can grab one and talk icann in realtime. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:20) Guess that's it for today! |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:20) Hum |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:20) no - GAC next |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:21) i hope |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:21) Oh, is an open GAC meeting? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:21) GAC Public Forum that got skipped earlier will be from now until 6pm Cairo time |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:21) i don't think any gac meeting is open - except for the one Toney Ruwkoski crashed |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:21) instructions following the Feb 23rd letter, I imagine |
| <JanusBooysen> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:22) chiaau, it's been interesting, thanks. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:22) I guess I'll read the headlines in the morning, Oh, it's already the morning of 9 March here in Japan. |
| <RobertConnelly> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:23) BobC about to leave. |
| <NaseemBhatti> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:26) hi fellas! I missed the meeting today. Any important things? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:27) GAC meetings are theoretically open to all governments aren't they? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:31) hey paulds |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:31) fancy seeing you here |
| <paulds> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:32) heh |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:34) I'm putting up the GAC communique right now |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:38) on a site? |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 10:39) it's on <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/cairo/archive/gac-communique-030800.html> |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:03) is there a realtime scribe? |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:03) We're back, and the scribe is at work |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:03) refresh your broadcast page |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:08) there he goes - the reading of the list. he does not have to be prompted any more |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:12) has the cameraman gone home? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:13) thx |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:13) ...and the scribe? :-) |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:16) I'm still scribing. Is Augmented Video Feed working OK? |
| <graham> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:18) yes, augmented is working fine |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:19) were the governments listed? don't see it on the notes |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:19) Government listing went by too fast for me! RealVideo archive should be up tonight if all goes well, though. |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:20) Gambia? Nigeria? Other West Africa? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:31) what time archive? for interest |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:34) scribe is fixed and much more legible. |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:34) What do you mean by "what time archive?"? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:37) sorry, wanted to check the country listings above, meaning what time is the archive planned to be made available? |
| <BenEdelman> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:38) We've got about 90MB of RealVideo to upload. It's not clear yet how long that will take, if we can complete such a large upload successfully at all from here. |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:40) no one cares anymore |
| <baptista> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:41) ok so that's it for today? |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:43) thank you for making it possible to see it in action |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:44) yes, that's all |
| <AnthonyRutkowski> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:44) yeah, thanks folks! |
| <JohnWilbanks> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:44) see you tomorrow. |
| <MegSmith> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:44) Bye all - thanks for coming! |
| <MarkMeasday> (Wed, March 08, 2000 at 11:47) quit |
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