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In these office hours, we talk about the possibility of open university degree certificate and degree programs, emerging from nonmarket information production trajectories (Benkler). This pioneering CyberOne course is one possible model for open, free, online University degree programs, which develop from the same social processes as MIT's Open Courseware project and open software movement. We address questions of cost. In this transcript, we wonder whether the Harvard Law School, as a pioneer, might consider creating such a program.


  • [17:35] You (Aphilo): What will you do with your HES courses, Yoyo? And would you take more courses through a kind of open university, such as this course represents?
  • [17:36] Yoyo Mah: Sure, I started taking HES classes first for professional training, then personal enrichment .. and
  • [17:36] Yoyo Mah: I've taken enough to actually get a degree :)
  • [17:37] You: Did you see the video from yesterday, where Lynn Margolis said that 1550 of MIT's 1800 courses are now online for free through MIT's open courseware project?
  • [17:37] tree Sprawl is Online
  • [17:38] You: I wonder if this course might be the harbinger for something similar, but in SL?
  • [17:38] Yoyo Mah: Do you mean the lecture videos or just the course content?
  • [17:39] You: Lecture videos make sense.
  • [17:40] You: I think the participants yesterday, as well as the Nessons, are interested in open access, in a significant way - it offers avenues to equality, for one.
  • [17:40] Yoyo Mah: I didn't know about that ... I do know OCW been making available some of the MIT course material (written) online for a while
  • [17:40] You: I suspect Harvard can afford it.
  • [17:41] Yoyo Mah: I don't think cost is the real issue here
  • [17:41] You: Are their videos with OCW? I haven't seen any, but haven't looked thoroughly.
  • [17:41] Yoyo Mah: Few selected OCW courses have video. Most don't.
  • [17:42] Yoyo Mah: But many universities, especially those in engineering and science, have designed in-class courses based on OCW material.
  • [17:42] You: One student in the video yesterday raised the fairness of cost question, and another said that students who got into Harvard earned it, and he felt that entitled them to a kind of exclusivity.
  • [17:42] You: OCW certainly sets a standard.
  • [17:43] Yoyo Mah: I think it's naive for one to think that the course material itself is equivalent to the education
  • [17:44] Yoyo Mah: E.g. in this class, the real gem (I believe) is the actual lecture/classroom experience and the people you meet/collaborate.
  • [17:44] You: What would you think about a program to put a series of Harvard courses online in this CyberOne format, and make them free? This course framework as a new cybermedium - viz. McLuhan - for online education, and emphasizing SL, as a class room?
  • [17:45] Yoyo Mah: As I've said, the static content is really not that useful for the general audience.
  • [17:45] You: SL certainly bridges some of those differences significantly - and the real-virtual distinction between your views, and what happens in SL seem less, than B. SL (before SL).
  • [17:46] Yoyo Mah: To make the content works, you need people to direct, answer Q&A, hold office etc.
  • [17:46] You: Add voice, more accurate resemblance of faces, and voila . . . :)
  • [17:46] You: Hello Brook
  • [17:47] Yoyo Mah: Aphilo, will you be volunteer to be the open "course instructor" and work for free? :)
  • [17:47] You: Yes, SL is certainly different from the classroom experience, but is also a proxy for it.
  • [17:47] Brooke Hyacinth: As I see it, the environment could change both how and what counts as knowledge........Why create a SL that looks like the 1st....Why have a virtual gorilla that looks like a real one. This world is limitless....so why limit our students to the same mun
  • [17:47] You: Like Rebecca, I am interested in teaching a course in SL.
  • [17:48] Chinadoll Lulu: did T come back
  • [17:48] You: But perhaps on similar terms to Prof. Nesson, Rebecca and Gene, and MIT professors.
  • [17:48] You: Not yet, Chi.
  • [17:48] You: Hie Erka.
  • [17:48] Erka Vacirca: hi
  • [17:48] You: Yes, Brook.
  • [17:48] Chinadoll Lulu: i will log off a sec and be back
  • [17:48] Yoyo Mah: But work for free?
  • [17:49] You: Yes, SL offers an rich opportunity for imagining new kinds of education.
  • [17:50] Yoyo Mah: Then perhaps it could work.
  • [17:50] Yoyo Mah: You don't even need Harvard material if you can find good enough material from OCW
  • [17:50] You: I don't think Prof. Nesson, Rebecca and Gene, and MIT professors work for free. I have introduced SL a little into a sociology course I'm teaching (also not for free).
  • [17:50] Brooke Hyacinth: Is there a way to connect and external database of sort to SL?
  • [17:50] Chinadoll Lulu is Online
  • [17:51] Yoyo Mah: Yes.. SL has several APIs that you can use if you are a programmer
  • [17:51] You: Not yet for avatars, Brooke, I think. But SL seems to have connected an external database.
  • [17:51] You: I see.
  • [17:51] You: Will you tell us more, Yoyo?
  • [17:52] Yoyo Mah: About?
  • [17:52] Brooke Hyacinth: I'm not a programmer-----but I do have a grad student who has created a database of sorts for assessemtn and evaluation-----long story........
  • [17:52] You: the APIs, and how they work?
  • [17:52] You: Which would work with SL, Brooke?
  • [17:52] Brooke Hyacinth: but the point is----can what students do in SL be charted?
  • [17:52] Brooke Hyacinth: assessed, document....?
  • [17:52] You: Hello Chi,
  • [17:53] You: IN what sense, Brooke?
  • [17:53] Brooke Hyacinth: I'm personally thinking of K-12 education----a process folio of sorts-----that would replace the testing....and be more meaningful...and contribute to the learning process.
  • [17:53] You: Why not?
  • [17:54] You: SL is developing so rapidly.
  • [17:54] Yoyo Mah: hmm...
  • [17:54] Brooke Hyacinth: I suppose I would need to buy an island! :-)
  • [17:54] Yoyo Mah: Have your programmer to look at http://secondlife.com/developers/resources.php
  • [17:54] You: Not necessarily at first, although budgeting for it in your institution would allow you to control the landscape.
  • [17:55] Brooke Hyacinth: would you type that again, please?
  • [17:55] Yoyo Mah: Aphilo, r u already teaching a class in SL?
  • [17:55] You: I suspect kids would find a whole new series of possibilities, and take to it readily. But kids in a class are already often together, whereas many of us are geographically disparate.
  • [17:56] You: http://secondlife.com/developers/resources.php
  • [17:56] You: Press the history button below if you want to see a record of the chat.
  • [17:57] Brooke Hyacinth: Thanks........I'm interested in what kids do outside as well as inside class.....the 3rd pedagogical site if you will.
  • [17:57] You: I'm not yet, although I've mentioned it to Rebecca.
  • [17:57] Yoyo Mah: ok.
  • [17:58] Yoyo Mah: On that note, I am working on a side project that ties Skype or VoIP capability to SL
  • [17:58] You: So you might envision SL as an opportunity to study what kids are doing outside of class?
  • [17:58] Yoyo Mah: so we can actually "talk" instead of type
  • [17:58] You: How open is SL to that possibility?
  • [17:58] You: Up to now, SL hasn't wanted to add voice.
  • [17:59] Brooke Hyacinth: I see it as an extension of something like the hypertext software---Tinderbox----but in a recogniabel metaphoric environment...
  • [17:59] Yoyo Mah: I don't need LL's consent to do this... :)
  • [17:59] You: And chats add a remarkable new way of communicating - more ways are helpful.
  • [17:59] X-Flight, Carbon Rod X: All Go
  • [17:59] Teresa Cinquetti is Online
  • [17:59] Teresa Cinquetti is Online
  • [17:59] You: Hello Teresa
  • [17:59] Teresa Cinquetti is Online
  • [17:59] Yoyo Mah: Hey Teresa
  • [18:00] You: Can we try it Yoyo?
  • [18:00] You: Now?
  • [18:00] You: :)
  • [18:00] You: Did your machine crash, Teresa?
  • [18:00] Yoyo Mah: Not yet... I am hoping to get the alpha site out by Q1 next year.
  • [18:00] Teresa Cinquetti =^.^=
  • [18:00] Teresa Cinquetti: Hi Hi
  • [18:00] Chinadoll Lulu: where is rebecca?
  • [18:00] Chinadoll Lulu =^.^=
  • [18:00] Chinadoll Lulu: Hi Hi love
  • [18:00] Yoyo Mah: I can ping you if you are interested.
  • [18:00] You: Very cool.
  • [18:01] Teresa Cinquetti: yes
  • [18:01] You: Haven't seen her yet.
  • [18:01] You: Perhaps she'll show up soon.
  • [18:01] Yoyo Mah: She e-mailed the class - noting that is not office hour this week
  • [18:01] Yoyo Mah: *no office hour*
  • [18:01] You: She also said she would probably be here, anyway.
  • [18:01] Chinadoll Lulu: kewl
  • [18:02] Teresa Cinquetti: kk this is strange certain items are lit as if they are being edited
  • [18:02] Yoyo Mah: so, are all you at-large participants/
  • [18:02] Chinadoll Lulu: yes
  • [18:02] Teresa Cinquetti: the alpha is showing in red and ctrl t is off
  • [18:02] Chinadoll Lulu: same here i had that problem too
  • [18:02] Teresa Cinquetti: had?
  • [18:02] Teresa Cinquetti: is it fixed
  • [18:02] You: Why do you think open education is expanding, given the cost issue?
  • [18:02] You: It relates to Benkler's thesis, directly.
  • [18:02] Teresa Cinquetti: ease of access
  • [18:03] You: yes.
  • [18:03] Chinadoll Lulu: well i do not have that problem now, but yes suddenly i created and edit objects
  • [18:03] Yoyo Mah: Personally, I am not so sure education is really "open" nor "expanding"
  • [18:04] You: How would one cultivate this CyberOne model?... like the MIT OCW model?
  • [18:04] Yoyo Mah: Some barriers are lower. E.g. internet technologies allow students all over the world to participate.
  • [18:04] You: The video yesterday suggested it is . . . and MIT's OCW certainly is an example.
  • [18:05] You: Yes, and if people expressed more interest, I think it would grow.
  • [18:05] Yoyo Mah: I think OCW is good. But truth be told, all MIT has done is publish a bunch of course materials on the web.
  • [18:05] You: Yes . . I've used them, and they are impressive - one view prior to this is that professors withheld course material as proprietary.
  • [18:06] You: The web changes this significantly.
  • [18:06] Yoyo Mah: under the pretext that MIT coure material is vastly superior to others
  • [18:06] You: MIT professors don't have to publish, but 1550 out of 1880 are online.
  • [18:07] You: Other Universities are doing this, as well - Tufts and Johns Hopkins were mentioned. MIT is taking the lead, and is investing in organization.
  • [18:07] Yoyo Mah: Sure, I can easily find the equivalent course materials (including powerpoint) from other colleges
  • [18:07] You: But the idea runs counter to private education. And that's what I find remarkable.
  • [18:07] SamBivalent Spork is Online
  • [18:08] You: The people who use this material are often students at other schools and self learners.
  • [18:08] Yoyo Mah: Just take a class from OCW. Google for similar content in other .edu sites. You will find a lot of material.
  • [18:08] Teresa Cinquetti: but what is the scope of the open courseware? It doesnt include the full breadth that the degree qould require
  • [18:09] You: But in a larger context - take the University of Phoenix's online degree programs - isn't that a next logical step? And all the result of the digital revotuion, and low cost computing.
  • [18:09] You: A remarkable dialogue. . .
  • [18:10] Teresa Cinquetti: It opened the campus up to a much larger segment of the population
  • [18:10] Yoyo Mah: Phoenix does the delivery of a content ... how well they do is irrelevant here
  • [18:10] You: I wonder if MIT or Harvard will pioneer degree courses online, as well, perhaps using a cyberone model? What do you think? Limitations?
  • [18:10] Teresa Cinquetti: thereby increasing hte revenue that UofP could collect
  • [18:10] You: Phoenix is making money.
  • [18:11] Chinadoll Lulu: sometimes it is not about making money
  • [18:11] You: MIT's OCW isn't ...
  • [18:11] Yoyo Mah: Take this class or any at Harvard. If all Professor Nelson and Rebecca have done is post the course material on the web, how helpful is that to the at-large participants....?
  • [18:11] Chinadoll Lulu: but UofP is making a lot of money
  • [18:11] Teresa Cinquetti: The use of SL as a medium is nice in that it allows a lab sort of an atmosphere as well
  • [18:11] Yoyo Mah: Phoenix makes money by delivering a course... rather than publising the course material
  • [18:11] You: As a pioneering course, and In the trajectory of open courseware, it is new and a development.
  • [18:11] Yoyo Mah: E.g. Harvard and MIT collect tuition for hiring professors/TFs/TAs to deliver a course.
  • [18:12] You: Yes, Yoyo.
  • [18:12] Teresa Cinquetti: We cant cook off in a beaker but we can conduct more socail experiments
  • [18:12] Chinadoll Lulu: yes it is like a real classroom
  • [18:12] Teresa Cinquetti: Think of the papers that are being written and published onthe social context of SL alreasy
  • [18:12] You: And MIT's OCW is an added benefit, which doesn't threaten, at this point, MIT's educational model, but instead enhances it.
  • [18:12] Teresa Cinquetti: and I cant type today at all
  • [18:12] Chinadoll Lulu: honestly if harvard ext schol offers MBA program, i will enroll for it for the next seminser
  • [18:12] Yoyo Mah: IMO, if we want to open "education", we need to figure out a really efficient and effective delivery model.
  • [18:13] Yoyo Mah: HES started a ALM in Mgmt program
  • [18:13] You: For example, Yoyo?
  • [18:13] Yoyo Mah: which includes classes taught by the real HBS professors
  • [18:13] Teresa Cinquetti: the standard needs to be more defined than the chaotic model that the internet poses sometimes.
  • [18:13] Yoyo Mah: http://www.extension.harvard.edu/management/
  • [18:14] You: I'm curious about the incentive to have courses, and even degrees, on the model of CyberOne, available for free?
  • [18:14] Yoyo Mah: But, don't confuse the ALM in Mgmt program with a HBS MBA. Both are targeted at totally different audience.
  • [18:14] You: This fits in with the trajectory of open education, thus far..
  • [18:14] Teresa Cinquetti: for it to be free it would need someone or womething to sponsor it
  • [18:15] Teresa Cinquetti: where does the money come from to run this sim for example
  • [18:15] You: And how long before Harvard or MIT does this, experimentally?
  • [18:15] You: Linden Labs benefits from those of us who eventually buy things here. So, an avatar is a loss leader, or an entry point.
  • [18:16] Chinadoll Lulu: yes most school will not give out program for free
  • [18:16] You: But CyberONe is a pioneering example, Chi.
  • [18:16] Yoyo Mah: It is simply not financially sustainable over the long haul, even for a well-endowed institution
  • [18:16] You: I think it you look at the German model, it could well be.
  • [18:17] Yoyo Mah: CyberOne is an experiemental class ... Harvard is largely paying for it ;)
  • [18:17] You: Some would say the German model, for example, loses their brightest to the well paid American system.
  • [18:17] Yoyo Mah: as well Rebecca and others volunteer their time
  • [18:17] You: And MIT for the OCW project, (with 1550 out of 1800 courses up).
  • [18:18] Teresa Cinquetti: Thats why I said it would need a sponsor and for a sponsor to appear there has to be soe gain. That gain might be the population to fill technical positions or to fill niches in a more global market since this is a global medium
  • [18:18] Yoyo Mah: I see your pts, Teresa.
  • [18:18] You: and the German government for their professors, which students take for very low cost, because it benefits society, I think.
  • [18:18] You: Me, too, T . . .
  • [18:19] Teresa Cinquetti: universities exist for the cocieties gain
  • [18:19] Yoyo Mah: I read the book "The World is Flat" this past summer. I think US govn really needs to step up the financial commitment to create a even more educated workforce.
  • [18:19] Chinadoll Lulu: sponsor is not easy to come by these days
  • [18:19] Yoyo Mah: E.g. German, Ireland
  • [18:19] Teresa Cinquetti: be them corporate or philanthropical
  • [18:19] You: What's interesting here is the trajectory of the open software movement, Benkler's "Wealth of Networks" book, MIT"s OCW all of which move to nonmarket information produciton, and now education.
  • [18:20] Teresa Cinquetti: I think that governents may sponsor systems like this
  • [18:20] Teresa Cinquetti: Did anyone see the French animated movie Fantastic Planet?
  • [18:20] Chinadoll Lulu: only if you are poor
  • [18:20] You: How far does this trajectory proceed, and are the limiations only labs and resources, for highly specialized education (a rhetorical question, perhaps).
  • [18:20] Yoyo Mah: Well, even the open source people need to feed themselves. They have been largely "sponsored" by their day jobs ...
  • [18:20] Chinadoll Lulu: no, what is FP about, T
  • [18:21] You: Not yet, Teresa.
  • [18:21] Chinadoll Lulu: T, just checking if you get IM
  • [18:21] You: YEs, Yoyo . . .
  • [18:21] Teresa Cinquetti: It has a system that the children linked together on a cranial learnign device
  • [18:21] Chinadoll Lulu: SL is very strange today
  • [18:21] Chinadoll Lulu: linked?
  • [18:21] Chinadoll Lulu: eeek sounds like forced learning
  • [18:21] Teresa Cinquetti: they saw and linked to a common learning system
  • [18:21] Teresa Cinquetti: no it was not forced
  • [18:21] You: Yet they have succeeded in shaping the Internet fairly profoundly, and starting something quite unique relative to the market model - Benkler's poing.
  • [18:22] You: It's a learning opporunity.
  • [18:22] You: FP? Chi?
  • [18:22] Teresa Cinquetti: Fantastic Planet
  • [18:22] You: How is SL strange Chi?
  • [18:22] You: Thx
  • [18:23] Chinadoll Lulu: what T said, Fantastic planet
  • [18:23] Chinadoll Lulu: SL is being attacked and object not attached
  • [18:23] You: Benkler, in the Wealth of Networks, also emphasizes agency - computing opens up choice for individuals.
  • [18:24] You: I think the costs shift around in nonmarket information production, within the network
  • [18:24] You: Using the German model as an example, the state bears the burden and pays the professors and the students.
  • [18:24] Teresa Cinquetti: well that would develop a more learned population for the world at large. And that is why I said governments might pay for open education or at least tax dollars would when the need is required by the voters
  • [18:25] You: Corporations, and society benefit from a very highly educated workforce.
  • [18:25] Yoyo Mah: So, back to your argument, who is going to sponsor the "open education" here?
  • [18:25] You: Germans, are very educated, and many Ph.D.s, I think, are unemployed.
  • [18:27] You: I think one might carry on the experimental, pioneering model of cyberone, and inquire out whether Harvard Law School, for example, might be willing to make an online Harvard Law degree
  • [18:27] Chinadoll Lulu: thx yoyo
  • [18:27] You: available virtually.
  • [18:27] Yoyo Mah: ping me if you have more questions about HES... Chinadoll
  • [18:27] You: For example, next semester Professor Nesson would like to teach a course in a new courtroom across the way on trialrooms.
  • [18:27] Chinadoll Lulu: kk
  • [18:28] Yoyo Mah: I don't see an online version of JD from HLS .. neither do I see an online MBA from HBS.
  • [18:28] Chinadoll Lulu: JD....
  • [18:28] Chinadoll Lulu: well i would llike MBA
  • [18:28] Yoyo Mah: Taking away the campus experience simply dilute the values and experiences
  • [18:28] You: Prof. Nesson is pioneering. He might not only entertain the idea, but also make it happen. But perhaps you're right Yoyo.
  • [18:29] Yoyo Mah: and if HLS and HBS apply the same admission control versus open admission policy of HES, then the degrees are still technically "closed" rather than open
  • [18:29] You: But a maverick professor (and Harvard alum) would be a kind of sponsor, to answer your earlier question.
  • [18:29] You: I'm not sure anyone could have foreseen this course either, or the information age, and network society, and the wealth of networks.
  • [18:30] You: Analogous ideas were certainly explored in the freedom seeking movements of the 1960s and 70s.
  • [18:31] You: In a pioneering course in HLS, I don't know how admissions would work. A three year online course in SL, is a huge time commitment.
  • [18:31] Chinadoll Lulu: well RL social and net life social is getting closer by day
  • [18:31] You: In so many ways, Chi.
  • [18:31] Chinadoll Lulu: you have no idea
  • [18:32] You: But the Nessons certainly are doing what they want in exploring these courses, teaching things they enjoy, and making them happen.
  • [18:32] Chinadoll Lulu: i had like a 8 hr meeting today just related to network and etc
  • [18:32] Chinadoll Lulu: and all sorts of IT communications
  • [18:33] You: I haven't yet talked with Rebecca or Prof. Nesson about their ideas for an online degree program based on the CyberOne model, but with their interest in openness, I think they might entertain it.
  • [18:33] You: Departmental approval might be very difficult.
  • [18:33] Chinadoll Lulu: so is prof coming today?
  • [18:34] You: What other directions can you see online education moving toward?
  • [18:34] Teresa Cinquetti: what would be advantageous to start might be a certificate program
  • [18:34] Teresa Cinquetti: not a full fledged degree but at leas t some recognition
  • [18:34] You: Rebecca said she would probably come, but she may not, at this point.
  • [18:34] Chinadoll Lulu: yes
  • [18:34] You: Yes, Teresa.
  • [18:34] Chinadoll Lulu: i wish i will get a cert from harvard
  • [18:35] You: What might you suggest for subject?
  • [18:35] You: Law?
  • [18:35] Yoyo Mah: Chinadoll, check out these programs @ HES http://www.extension.harvard.edu/2006-07/programs/
  • [18:35] Yoyo Mah: Other schools at Harvard also offer grad cert at various cost and admission control
  • [18:35] Chinadoll Lulu: i did
  • [18:35] Chinadoll Lulu: but no MBA
  • [18:35] Teresa Cinquetti: well law would be the area of expertise for Prof Nessen adn Becca but it could be almost anything from law to social engineering
  • [18:36] Teresa Cinquetti: even cyber psycology
  • [18:36] Teresa Cinquetti: how does this mob move and think
  • [18:36] You: Yes, and what would you enjoy, or benefit from, in addtion to an MBA?
  • [18:36] Yoyo Mah: Well, HBS needs you to spend 2-year at Cambridge after you beat the admission odd ;)
  • [18:37] You: Why not even propose it to Rebecca and Professor Nesson?
  • [18:37] Chinadoll Lulu: humm
  • [18:37] Chinadoll Lulu: welll i am a full time working mom
  • [18:37] Chinadoll Lulu: that is like no option
  • [18:37] You: I have the sense they would be receptive, and even help to make it happen, possibly, if you put energy into it. They are 'realizers,' I think.
  • [18:38] You: Stay in touch with these courses. I wonder what will take shape...
  • [18:38] Teresa Cinquetti: I think they are believers in educational entrepeneurism
  • [18:38] Chinadoll Lulu: i hope so
  • [18:38] You: They do entertain an entrepreneurial model.
  • [18:38] Chinadoll Lulu: honestly i do not want my mba from U of P
  • [18:39] You: How would this course fit into their entrpreneurial model?
  • [18:39] Teresa Cinquetti: this is sort of like magelleanisitic
  • [18:39] Yoyo Mah: No worry. There are plenty of good off-campus or hybrid MBA programs ;)
  • [18:39] Teresa Cinquetti: they are opening new doors
  • [18:40] Chinadoll Lulu: ok big word waht is that
  • [18:40] You: It's exploratory. Harvard's invetstment of real dollars for virtual land is probably nominal, relative to the potential cyber-wise, and financially, as this develops.
  • [18:41] Teresa Cinquetti: Magellean was a discoverer that crossed the Pacific and :P I hate this word "Discovered" new worlds
  • [18:41] Yoyo Mah: I see.
  • [18:41] Chinadoll Lulu: hehe i like how the old explorer discover worlds
  • [18:41] Teresa Cinquetti: yeah worlds that people already lived in but back to this
  • [18:42] Yoyo Mah: Sorry to bail now. I need to get back to RL ...
  • [18:42] Chinadoll Lulu: true true
  • [18:42] Teresa Cinquetti: me too soon
  • [18:42] Yoyo Mah: Great chatting w/ y'all.
  • [18:42] Teresa Cinquetti: Nice to meet you
  • [18:42] Chinadoll Lulu: me too three
  • [18:42] You: It's hard to envision the potential, when there aren't any models to imitate. But pioneers often get the lion share, and digital education is more dependent on what you shape it to be. ...
  • [18:42] Chinadoll Lulu: yes nice to meet you yoyo
  • [18:42] Chinadoll Lulu: are you chiense like me
  • [18:42] You: Nice to chat Yoyo . . .Chatting is a rich experience in SL
  • [18:42] Yoyo Mah: technically no.
  • [18:42] Yoyo Mah: ciao!
  • [18:43] Teresa Cinquetti: Even though there arent any models to imitate, I think so far the concept is doing great. Look at how many participants there are now compared to when it first started
  • [18:43] Chinadoll Lulu: hehe techically no
  • [18:44] You: It's impressive.
  • [18:44] Teresa Cinquetti: it really is
  • [18:44] Teresa Cinquetti: event he ones who are passive
  • [18:44] Sporty Brickworks: how do you hold a conference
  • [18:44] You: Yes . . . '
  • [18:44] Teresa Cinquetti: I consider myself as passive actally since we have no group project going
  • [18:44] Sporty Brickworks: is it all chat
  • [18:44] You: What's interesting is the potential we have to shape it the way we want to, too.
  • [18:45] You: Everyone can chat at once, Sporty.
  • [18:45] Teresa Cinquetti: a groups discussion can be started with calligcards
  • [18:45] Teresa Cinquetti: a conference you mean
  • [18:45] Sporty Brickworks: i see
  • [18:45] You: Yes.
  • [18:45] Sporty Brickworks: when is your next conference
  • [18:45] Teresa Cinquetti: go to your calling cards then make anew folder
  • [18:45] Teresa Cinquetti: place the calling cards that you want in the conference in the folder and then start the conference
  • [18:46] Teresa Cinquetti: right click I think the folder name
  • [18:46] You: This is a Harvard course called cyberone: Law in the Court of Public Opinion - and this is office hours . . .
  • [18:46] Sporty Brickworks: oh okay
  • [18:46] Chinadoll Lulu: hehe
  • [18:46] Sporty Brickworks: I am looking at hosting my own conference can i sit end to learn more
  • [18:47] You: Sure, although I think we're winding down presently.
  • [18:47] Sporty Brickworks: that is fine i just wanted to see the setup
  • [18:48] You: Where are calling cards, T?
  • [18:48] Teresa Cinquetti: in the inventory
  • [18:48] Teresa Cinquetti: under "calling cards" :)
  • [18:48] You: Thnx :)
  • [18:49] You: I need to go. I'm heading for California tomorrow, early in the morning.
  • [18:49] Teresa Cinquetti: have a good trip and a great Thanksgiving
  • [18:50] You: Good night, and see you next week, if not before.
  • [18:50] You: You too.
  • [18:50] Teresa Cinquetti: thank you
  • [18:50] You: Ciao.
  • [18:50] Sporty Brickworks: happy thanksgiving all
  • [18:50] Teresa Cinquetti: Adyos
  • [18:50] Sporty Brickworks: Aphilo when is your next
  • [18:50] Sporty Brickworks: class
  • [18:50] Chinadoll Lulu: T
  • [18:50] Chinadoll Lulu: im
  • [18:50] Teresa Cinquetti: kk time for me to log and head out
  • [18:51] Sporty Brickworks: do you also know if audio support is available
  • [18:51] You: I'll be here Sunday evening or Tuesday, but I'm an at large participant, and not an i nstructor in SL.
  • [18:51] You: Not voice, yet, - only some sound effects.

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