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[17:17]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes
[17:17]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes
[17:18]  Frappe Lapointe: I think everyone has mine?
[17:18]  Frappe Lapointe: I think everyone has mine?
[17:18]  USA Brody: wjames@alumni.law.harvard.edu is my most reliable address
[17:18]  USA Brody: [redacted] is my most reliable address
[17:18]  USA Brody: I use it constantly without spam email
[17:18]  USA Brody: I use it constantly without spam email
[17:18]  You: hold on, whens the deliverable
[17:18]  You: hold on, whens the deliverable

Latest revision as of 01:30, 2 December 2006

[16:11]  Frappe Lapointe is Online
[16:11]  Yvette Kumsung: maybe since she will be the evaluator.
[16:11]  USA Brody: Exactly
[16:11]  USA Brody: good thinking
[16:11]  You: howdy
[16:11]  USA Brody: I agree.
[16:11]  Yvette Kumsung: Hi!
[16:12]  USA Brody: Hi Pere
[16:12]  Yvette Kumsung: I'm so glad everyone is here
[16:12]  USA Brody: what about Brein
[16:12]  You: brian is on a plane
[16:12]  USA Brody: Okay good.
[16:12]  You: i didn't have ur email william
[16:12]  USA Brody: ready to get down to business.
[16:12]  USA Brody: it's okay
[16:12]  USA Brody: don't worry
[16:12]  You: we do voice tonight?
[16:12]  USA Brody: [email Redacted]
[16:12]  Frappe Lapointe: I did forward it to Brody
[16:12]  You: ty
[16:13]  USA Brody: yeah
[16:13]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:13]  USA Brody: what did becca recommend we do Yvette?
[16:13]  Yvette Kumsung: i was so embarassed yesterday
[16:13]  USA Brody: why?
[16:13]  Frappe Lapointe: why?
[16:13]  You: y?
[16:13]  USA Brody: because of the lack of cohesion of our grup
[16:13]  Yvette Kumsung: sort of
[16:13]  USA Brody: yeah. what was it?
[16:13]  USA Brody: please refine
[16:14]  USA Brody: okay. well sorry for your embarrasment
[16:14]  USA Brody: Can we do anythng to change that?
[16:14]  Yvette Kumsung: it shouldn't be something personal
[16:14]  Yvette Kumsung: :)
[16:14]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:14]  USA Brody: no problems here
[16:15]  USA Brody: since I am right now an avatar
[16:15]  Yvette Kumsung: one moment. I am looking at the wiki
[16:15]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:15]  Frappe Lapointe: It is funny, we have great ideas... just to many
[16:15]  USA Brody: exactly
[16:15]  Frappe Lapointe: and we have gotten stuck on the to many
[16:15]  USA Brody: let's pick one and stick with it
[16:16]  Frappe Lapointe: Well of the point Becca made was to figure out or perspectives
[16:16]  USA Brody: yes.
[16:16]  You: okay, lets pick 2
[16:16]  Yvette Kumsung: So the latest update I think wa made on s http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/Thursday_1900_EST
[16:16]  USA Brody: why two
[16:16]  USA Brody: why not one
[16:16]  You: okay
[16:16]  You: start with 1
[16:16]  USA Brody: why two
[16:16]  USA Brody: why complicate thngs
[16:16]  USA Brody: or is it not
[16:16]  You: 4 people = 2 groups
[16:17]  USA Brody: oh. two groups. ?
[16:17]  You: i think we should split the arguments
[16:17]  USA Brody: Please clarify...
[16:17]  USA Brody: what argument are we making?>
[16:17]  You: too much crosstalk
[16:17]  USA Brody: we should start there
[16:17]  Frappe Lapointe: Heed Typers When Voice Comes Hypothesis: Voice is coming to SL and will bring new capabilities Problem: Discrimination of typers in type-voice coexsiting environment 1.Typers are slower, making it more difficult to fit into conversations 2.Voice users may feel annoyed by chat windows, or get used to minimizing the window 3.Clash of typing sounds with voice Why should we think of protecting the rights of typers? 1. May not be able to speak (mute, soar throat) 2. Situation where you cannot use voice (office) 3. Personal reasons (Don't like sound of voice/doesn't suit identity of avatar/want to keep level of privacy/stutter,lisp, accent) 4. Multitasking (chat while listening to music, etc.) 5. Efficiency in certain situations(Group chats, lectures) Questions to Ask Ourselves 1. Who should be given the right to decide whether the zone is voice, text, or voice-text? 2. How can we create awareness? 3. Are we calling for technical attention from Linden or social attention from residents? Soluti
[16:17]  USA Brody: then decide which side to argue right
[16:17]  Yvette Kumsung: or are you saying...like an empathic argument?
[16:17]  USA Brody: precisely
[16:18]  Frappe Lapointe: which would fit perfectly with the group
[16:18]  USA Brody: so. we can split into two groups to argue
[16:18]  Yvette Kumsung: how to you propose to present it?
[16:18]  You: zackly
[16:18]  Yvette Kumsung: do you
[16:18]  USA Brody: WE could use a podcast
[16:19]  USA Brody: an that mp3 player becca had
[16:19]  You: excellent
[16:19]  USA Brody: or we could do some machinima. but I don't know how to do that
[16:19]  You: so 2 podcasts?
[16:19]  USA Brody: well. one.
[16:19]  Yvette Kumsung: If you give me the audio, I can make machinima
[16:19]  USA Brody: so if we make the podcasts you can create the movie?
[16:19]  Yvette Kumsung: yeah
[16:19]  USA Brody: okay. good plan
[16:19]  USA Brody: now. what are we arguing
[16:20]  Frappe Lapointe: it would be like working as two groups but then come together
[16:20]  USA Brody: right. well. simply distributing the work
[16:20]  USA Brody: we are one group
[16:20]  Yvette Kumsung: that would be easy in the presentation, since all we have to do is play the machinima
[16:20]  You: yes plz
[16:20]  Frappe Lapointe: lets keep it simple
[16:20]  You: but identify the 2 group arguments first
[16:21]  USA Brody: we just need one argument
[16:21]  USA Brody: one specific argument
[16:21]  Frappe Lapointe: One argument is having voice and the other is keeping chat
[16:21]  USA Brody: okay. why?
[16:21]  USA Brody: why not having both?
[16:21]  USA Brody: or the option to choose
[16:21]  Frappe Lapointe: well the argument could be that they can be used together
[16:21]  USA Brody: why are those the best
[16:22]  Frappe Lapointe: we do not have to have those
[16:22]  USA Brody: we have to be empathic to all points of you
[16:22]  Frappe Lapointe: just a thought
[16:22]  USA Brody: right
[16:22]  USA Brody: okay
[16:22]  USA Brody: gotach
[16:22]  USA Brody: gotcha
[16:22]  You: very broad
[16:22]  USA Brody: sorry if I am aggressive sounding. I just had an esspresso! !
[16:22]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:22]  USA Brody: well then .
[16:22]  Yvette Kumsung: ]
[16:22]  Yvette Kumsung: haha
[16:22]  USA Brody: do we have a question to address and a plausible situation to apply it
[16:23]  USA Brody: anyone?
[16:23]  You: argument1: voice needs to be implemented like chat
[16:23]  USA Brody: okay. Yvette. any ideas?
[16:24]  Yvette Kumsung: I'm thinking that maybe you three could all make podcasts
[16:24]  USA Brody: okay
[16:24]  Yvette Kumsung: for, against, and pointing out merits of both
[16:24]  Yvette Kumsung: which I could edit and stick in the end
[16:25]  USA Brody: okay. great.
[16:25]  Frappe Lapointe: That was the line I was down
[16:25]  USA Brody: sound okay to you pere?
[16:25]  You: sure
[16:25]  USA Brody: great
[16:25]  USA Brody: so we all do a podcast
[16:25]  Frappe Lapointe: since we have been that way since we all talked about the project
[16:25]  USA Brody: or three podcasts
[16:25]  USA Brody: sorry
[16:25]  You: 1: for
[16:25]  You: 2: against
[16:25]  Yvette Kumsung: we each do one podcast
[16:26]  You: 3: both
[16:26]  USA Brody: okay. ..... what is the point of doing both sides?
[16:26]  Yvette Kumsung: that way there will be three speakers 
[16:26]  USA Brody: okay
[16:26]  Yvette Kumsung: that person can be the neutral narrator
[16:26]  USA Brody: good thinking
[16:26]  USA Brody: I see.
[16:26]  USA Brody: who wants to argue for?
[16:26]  Frappe Lapointe: I will
[16:27]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:27]  USA Brody: who wants to argue against?
[16:27]  You: script it first?
[16:27]  Frappe Lapointe: of course
[16:27]  Yvette Kumsung: I love Frappe's voice. I'll probably be convinced into her argument. hehe
[16:27]  USA Brody: okay. lol
[16:27]  Frappe Lapointe: Thanks
[16:27]  USA Brody: so. maybe she should be the narrator
[16:27]  USA Brody: so, maybe**
[16:28]  Yvette Kumsung: no. she's too alluring
[16:28]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:28]  Frappe Lapointe: I will go for everyone else, I hate my voice recorded
[16:28]  You: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/Thursday_1900_EST#Machinima_Script
[16:28]  Yvette Kumsung: Great!
[16:28]  USA Brody: okay. so what is going on.
[16:28]  USA Brody: what is the link for Pere?
[16:28]  You: script link
[16:28]  Yvette Kumsung: To upload the script
[16:28]  USA Brody: oh okay
[16:28]  USA Brody: coll
[16:28]  USA Brody: cool
[16:28]  USA Brody: excellent progress
[16:29]  Yvette Kumsung: for the machinima in which we'll have the emphathic argument inside
[16:29]  USA Brody: okay so Frappe is arguing for.
[16:29]  USA Brody: who is arguing against!
[16:29]  USA Brody: any takers
[16:29]  USA Brody: voluntarily?
[16:29]  USA Brody: OKay. I will play devil's advocate then ....
[16:29]  USA Brody: I will argue against
[16:29]  USA Brody: fair?
[16:29]  Yvette Kumsung: Hehe thanks
[16:29]  You: i am gonna go trawl the previous transcripts for material
[16:29]  USA Brody: okay no problem
[16:30]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:30]  You: or do u wanna brainstorm the podcast live?
[16:30]  USA Brody: so I am arguing against voice integration
[16:30]  Yvette Kumsung: It doesn't have to represent your own feelings, it's sort of like acting in a way
[16:30]  USA Brody: right
[16:30]  USA Brody: no problem at all here.
[16:30]  USA Brody: so I am arguing against voice integration?
[16:30]  USA Brody: or no
[16:31]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes brady.. if that is what you would like to do
[16:31]  Frappe Lapointe: Brody
[16:31]  Frappe Lapointe: sorry
[16:31]  USA Brody: okay. no problem
[16:31]  Yvette Kumsung: We should also have someone professional-sounding for the intro and outro (hinting at pere)
[16:31]  USA Brody: Yeah.
[16:31]  USA Brody: Definitely
[16:31]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes
[16:31]  USA Brody: Pere. Up for the introduction?
[16:32]  You: i sound professional?
[16:32]  Frappe Lapointe: So you want the alluring voice on the podcast for me
[16:32]  You: eh
[16:32]  Yvette Kumsung: As for the script, I think we should all contribute to writing it
[16:32]  Yvette Kumsung: or at least pitching in ideas
[16:32]  Frappe Lapointe: okay.
[16:32]  Frappe Lapointe: so first is writting the script
[16:33]  USA Brody: I love to write! but I might make a better editor
[16:33]  USA Brody: Pere. I think you sound professional
[16:33]  USA Brody: so are you up for it?
[16:33]  Yvette Kumsung: Well Brody, since I am mainly against voice, I will try to post a draft that you can edit!
[16:33]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:33]  USA Brody: Well. I can write also.
[16:33]  You: sure
[16:34]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:34]  USA Brody: so real quick
[16:34]  USA Brody: I am aruing against. Frappe is arguing for. Pere is doing the intro
[16:34]  Yvette Kumsung: I need at least two days for the video editing
[16:34]  USA Brody: right?
[16:34]  USA Brody: is everyone clear on that?
[16:34]  USA Brody: or is that not true?
[16:34]  Frappe Lapointe: yes
[16:34]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:34]  You: random content from transcripts : Freedom of Speech Swearing Accents, Pitch, Cultural (Ebonics etc) Disabilities (Stutter, Lisp) SL vs RL (Gender, Voice Fonts) Foreign Languages Crosstalk Latency Text = Oration style
[16:34]  Yvette Kumsung: and we need time for the audio recording, so when should the script deadline be?
[16:35]  You: Sunday?
[16:35]  USA Brody: okay. Script needs priority
[16:35]  You: Saturday?
[16:35]  Yvette Kumsung: tomorrow?
[16:35]  USA Brody: well. I don't care.
[16:35]  USA Brody: I have time.
[16:35]  USA Brody: but it is a priority
[16:35]  You: 1st draft tomorrow
[16:35]  USA Brody: we can do nothing without it
[16:35]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:35]  USA Brody: so.
[16:35]  You: audio draft sunday
[16:35]  USA Brody: Now we know the org of our project
[16:35]  USA Brody: presentation
[16:35]  Frappe Lapointe: we need time to edit the draft
[16:36]  USA Brody: let's focus in on our question to address
[16:36]  USA Brody: no problem with that.
[16:36]  Frappe Lapointe: okay
[16:36]  USA Brody: don't worry about editing
[16:36]  USA Brody: that can be done very quickly
[16:36]  USA Brody: I have great resources for that.
[16:36]  Yvette Kumsung: Also, I'd like to request some ideas or suggestions about images for the machinima
[16:36]  You: 1: Freedom of text chat in SL vs RL
[16:36]  You: 2: SL improvements to voice
[16:37]  USA Brody: okay. great. Yvette.
[16:37]  USA Brody: okay yvette. what do you need.
[16:37]  You: gonna save this in case of crash
[16:37]  USA Brody: or do you want to create a list for us?
[16:37]  Yvette Kumsung: if there are no suggestions otherwise, I'll first post a pre-edit and then we can take it from there
[16:37]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:37]  Yvette Kumsung: well, basically, the images have to match the content
[16:37]  Yvette Kumsung: so it all depends on what we're going to talk about
[16:38]  USA Brody: so. should we look at the wiki for Brein's ideas on our project?
[16:38]  USA Brody: or should we focus on Becca's ideas?
[16:38]  Yvette Kumsung: he had some good ideas it's such a shame he couldn't join us today
[16:38]  USA Brody: yeah. but that doesn't mean we cannot use his ideas.
[16:38]  USA Brody: as a group
[16:38]  USA Brody: we can build on them
[16:38]  Yvette Kumsung: right
[16:38]  USA Brody: okay. so let's get cracking
[16:39]  USA Brody: what is our project argument?
[16:39]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:39]  USA Brody: let's be democratic.
[16:39]  USA Brody: Yvette. What do you think we ar doing?
[16:39]  USA Brody: Frappe. What do you think we are doing?
[16:40]  USA Brody: Pere. What do you think we are doing?
[16:40]  Yvette Kumsung: uh...making an empathic argument machinima on the pros and cons of incorporating voice into SL?
[16:40]  USA Brody: yes.
[16:40]  USA Brody: I agree with that.
[16:40]  USA Brody: Frappe. Pere?
[16:40]  Frappe Lapointe: WeWe are going to show how voice and Chat can bit live in SL with Podcasting out points
[16:41]  Frappe Lapointe: that was both live
[16:41]  USA Brody: Pere?
[16:41]  Frappe Lapointe: Nice drink
[16:41]  USA Brody: Thanks.
[16:41]  USA Brody: It tastes great.
[16:41]  You: Hi Team - I took another shot at the thesis statement to cover the scope of what we are looking to resolve with our upcoming research. Thesis: The integration of Voice in SL can result in varying degrees of discrimination against the residents, and this project will address issues regarding the impact of Voice on the social network. This way, we have identified the 'dispute' item noted by Rebecca, and provided a context for why it may be important to evaluate the item (e.g. potential impact on residents). I think the "everyone is disabled" aspect is great for our conclusion, and also ties into the 'who, how and why', so we can take it out of the thesis statement and incorporate it into the analysis. I hope this helps... Brien
[16:41]  USA Brody: Pere. What do you think we are arguing?
[16:42]  USA Brody: what is your opinion?
[16:42]  USA Brody: should we follow what you posted.
[16:42]  USA Brody: is that what you are implying?
[16:42]  You: everyone is disabled, text is inclusive, voice must be a bridge technology
[16:42]  Frappe Lapointe: It covers all points
[16:43]  USA Brody: are we arguing that?
[16:43]  Yvette Kumsung: i love that. bridge technology
[16:43]  You: voice can be discriminatory
[16:43]  USA Brody: Okay. Well. I have no idea what we are arguing. That is why I am asking.
[16:43]  USA Brody: All of these ideas sound good, and they can overlap
[16:43]  USA Brody: so I think we have a strong idea
[16:44]  USA Brody: I too, have read the wiki
[16:44]  USA Brody: and brein's idea
[16:44]  USA Brody: I have also been to every meeting and read every conversation
[16:44]  You: argument1: for: why voice is not discriminatory or it doesn
[16:44]  You: t matter
[16:44]  You: argument2: voice suxxors, text r00ls
[16:44]  You: and the wrap up
[16:44]  USA Brody: Timeout
[16:45]  USA Brody: Yvette. what did becca recommend to us?
[16:45]  USA Brody: let's incorporate her ideas a little bit .
[16:45]  You: ooh, beer, good idea, brb
[16:45]  Frappe Lapointe: Pere did
[16:45]  Frappe Lapointe: or so I think
[16:45]  USA Brody: okay. Pere did what?
[16:45]  Yvette Kumsung: Well since the hypothesis was that voice would bring discrimination along with its benefits
[16:46]  Yvette Kumsung: (we already set up on ground-level that voice would bring benefits)
[16:46]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:46]  USA Brody: should we put all of this on the wiki now?
[16:46]  Yvette Kumsung: we should think of why should we think of protecting the rights of typers and
[16:46]  USA Brody: can anyone do that?
[16:46]  Yvette Kumsung: how we can protect them
[16:46]  You: its there
[16:46]  USA Brody: okay. great.
[16:46]  You: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/?title=Friday_7pm_Chatlog_20061201&action=edit
[16:46]  Yvette Kumsung: she was interested in the protection of rights section
[16:46]  Yvette Kumsung: in particular
[16:47]  Yvette Kumsung: (I think that was personal interest)
[16:47]  USA Brody: now we should build a table with who is responsible for arguing which side.
[16:47]  USA Brody: and in addition maybe the script
[16:47]  USA Brody: who is responsible for the script
[16:47]  USA Brody: ?
[16:47]  USA Brody: all of us/
[16:47]  USA Brody: or ?
[16:47]  Yvette Kumsung: someone should be responsible for the final script
[16:47]  USA Brody: each individual who is arguing their side
[16:48]  USA Brody: I can edit the final
[16:48]  Yvette Kumsung: since we will all be editing it by wiki.
[16:48]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:48]  USA Brody: we should have a wiki section dedicated to the script
[16:48]  Yvette Kumsung: pere already made it
[16:48]  USA Brody: we should also have responsabilities dedicated to the individual on the wiki also
[16:49]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes it is the last section
[16:49]  USA Brody: so it is very clear who is doing what
[16:49]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:49]  Yvette Kumsung: darling, you have had too much caffeine
[16:49]  USA Brody: sorry
[16:49]  USA Brody: I just had another cap....
[16:49]  USA Brody: I will stop tying now.
[16:49]  Frappe Lapointe: No it is good
[16:49]  Frappe Lapointe: Okay
[16:49]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:49]  USA Brody: sorry.
[16:49]  Yvette Kumsung: yeah, we're getting focused
[16:49]  USA Brody: okay
[16:50]  Frappe Lapointe: so we can pots the project points that we are each to work on
[16:50]  USA Brody: is everything on the wiki?
[16:50]  USA Brody: the responsabilites and all
[16:50]  You: lol
[16:50]  Yvette Kumsung: I don't think the responsabilities have been posted yet
[16:50]  USA Brody: I am arguing against. frappe against. pere intro. Yvette machinman.
[16:50]  Frappe Lapointe: wow that was fast
[16:50]  You: sry, just read too much caffine comment
[16:50]  You: just made wiki table
[16:51]  Frappe Lapointe: I am for voice
[16:51]  Frappe Lapointe: you are against
[16:51]  Yvette Kumsung: we should also make a condensed timetable for our deadlines
[16:51]  USA Brody: now. we should also have a place to upload the mp3 files for our podcasts
[16:51]  USA Brody: exactly
[16:51]  You: podcast blog
[16:51]  USA Brody: or centralize them so we all have a copy available
[16:51]  Yvette Kumsung: can't everyone listen to them?
[16:51]  USA Brody: okay . . .
[16:51]  USA Brody: yes they can
[16:52]  USA Brody: so we should maybe put them somewhere else
[16:52]  Yvette Kumsung: oh well
[16:52]  USA Brody: does anyone have another website
[16:52]  USA Brody: ?>
[16:52]  Yvette Kumsung: i doubt people will be listening though
[16:52]  USA Brody: true
[16:52]  USA Brody: it doesn't matter does it?
[16:52]  USA Brody: why does it matter?
[16:52]  USA Brody: incase someone took our idea?
[16:53]  USA Brody: okay .
[16:53]  Yvette Kumsung: i don't think it matters
[16:53]  USA Brody: k
[16:53]  USA Brody: so now we have the basic outline
[16:53]  USA Brody: who is writing what in the script?
[16:53]  USA Brody: Is the script going to follow our podcast?
[16:53]  USA Brody: or is it different
[16:53]  USA Brody: Yvette
[16:54]  USA Brody: you are doing the machinia
[16:54]  Frappe Lapointe: It can follow
[16:54]  Yvette Kumsung: the script is the podcast= audio part of machinima
[16:54]  USA Brody: which would be easier for the machinima?
[16:54]  USA Brody: okay great
[16:54]  USA Brody: so should we all do our own parts
[16:54]  USA Brody: and then do the final edit together?
[16:54]  Yvette Kumsung: yes
[16:54]  USA Brody: okay. great.
[16:54]  USA Brody: So let's put that on the wiki too.
[16:55]  USA Brody: Now when should we be done with the script?
[16:55]  USA Brody: or have a working draft
[16:55]  Yvette Kumsung: Didn't you say tomorrow?
[16:55]  USA Brody: did I
[16:55]  Yvette Kumsung gave you Popcorn (Right-Click and Wear it!).
[16:55]  USA Brody: Tomorrow could work for me though
[16:55]  Yvette Kumsung: or maybe it was the bird on your shoulder..
[16:55]  USA Brody: maybe
[16:55]  Yvette Kumsung: strange
[16:55]  USA Brody: maybe the coffee is just kicking in to high gear
[16:55]  USA Brody: yeah. sorry .
[16:56]  USA Brody: I am doing a couple of thngs now
[16:56]  USA Brody: okay. ... so we have the basics down
[16:56]  USA Brody: now what is our argument exactly
[16:56]  USA Brody: we have to have the same arugment if we are going to argue
[16:56]  USA Brody: it is crucial for cohesiveness
[16:56]  USA Brody: hello?
[16:56]  USA Brody: anyone home?
[16:56]  Yvette Kumsung: um
[16:56]  USA Brody: okay.
[16:57]  Yvette Kumsung: either I'm drunk, or it's the third time you've asked
[16:57]  USA Brody: That was a suggestion, I think .....
[16:57]  USA Brody: We all need an agreeable argument on the wiki... maybe I am lost... let me read the chat real quick
[16:58]  Yvette Kumsung: okay
[16:58]  You: argument1: for: why voice is not discriminatory or it doesnt matter
[16:58]  You: argument2: against: text is better
[16:58]  Yvette Kumsung: okay, I have a question. Do you guys want real-life images for the machinima or second-life images?
[16:59]  You: SL
[16:59]  Yvette Kumsung: alright
[16:59]  Frappe Lapointe: Okay we are missing one piece. Or maybe both... for the voice aspect
[16:59]  Frappe Lapointe: skip the first part of the sentence
[16:59]  USA Brody: which sentence?
[17:00]  Frappe Lapointe: the one that say are we ot missing something
[17:00]  USA Brody: exactly. which peice our we missing?
[17:01]  Frappe Lapointe: The final point
[17:01]  USA Brody: Good thinking
[17:01]  USA Brody: who is being impacted here and why?
[17:01]  Frappe Lapointe: we ned to close it
[17:01]  Yvette Kumsung: oh that's right
[17:01]  Frappe Lapointe: need
[17:01]  USA Brody: that is why I was asking about our argument for the third time.
[17:01]  USA Brody: I think...
[17:01]  Frappe Lapointe: I think I need some of Brody coffee
[17:01]  USA Brody: lol
[17:01]  USA Brody: Starbucks!
[17:02]  Frappe Lapointe: How is the popcorn pere
[17:02]  Frappe Lapointe: okay... we the conclusion can be done last....
[17:02]  USA Brody: so are we as a group arguing for or against voice integration?
[17:02]  Yvette Kumsung: haven't we established who is being impacted and why?
[17:02]  Frappe Lapointe: yes
[17:02]  USA Brody: indirectly
[17:03]  USA Brody: yes we have now.
[17:03]  Frappe Lapointe: but I quess my ? is do we need to have a conclusion at the end of the podcast
[17:03]  You: popcorn is great, loving the eating animation
[17:03]  USA Brody: so what is the point of our argument.
[17:03]  You: leave that for Brian
[17:03]  Frappe Lapointe: okay
[17:03]  USA Brody: Let's not rely on anyone who is not here.
[17:03]  Yvette Kumsung: I don't know if we have to have a conclusion
[17:03]  Frappe Lapointe: do we need one?
[17:03]  Yvette Kumsung: I mean, I think it's important to point out the problem
[17:03]  Frappe Lapointe: or is it open?
[17:03]  Yvette Kumsung: and to raise the issue
[17:03]  Yvette Kumsung: and have people aware
[17:04]  USA Brody: we can make an executive decision on this one.
[17:04]  Frappe Lapointe: for everyone who is listening to decide
[17:04]  Yvette Kumsung: or maybe we should advocate that people should be nicer to typers?
[17:04]  Frappe Lapointe: good
[17:04]  Frappe Lapointe: thatn we are in the same page
[17:04]  USA Brody: possibly. or not forget about them
[17:04]  Yvette Kumsung: that is like frappe's podcast...'give us the choice'
[17:04]  Frappe Lapointe: it is open for all to decide what they want ot choose
[17:05]  Yvette Kumsung: that is a nice conclusion
[17:05]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:05]  USA Brody: well then let's go with that
[17:05]  Frappe Lapointe: YEAH
[17:05]  USA Brody: So. do you think we should delegate that to brein?
[17:05]  USA Brody: or do it ?
[17:05]  USA Brody: just the writing and the podcast part
[17:06]  USA Brody: the actual work that he can say he contributed to the final project presentation?
[17:06]  USA Brody: do we make the decision to do it without him and leave him out?
[17:06]  Yvette Kumsung: I think we should make the decision without him and let him write the conclusion
[17:06]  Frappe Lapointe: I agree
[17:06]  USA Brody: okay. so what happens if he can't ?
[17:07]  USA Brody: since we are doing this by tomorrow?
[17:07]  Yvette Kumsung: if he doesn't we should write it and then explain the situation
[17:07]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:07]  Frappe Lapointe: If we do not hear from byu Sunday
[17:07]  Frappe Lapointe: than we can do it as a collective
[17:07]  USA Brody: The conclusion to any argument is crucial
[17:07]  USA Brody: the most crucial part
[17:07]  Yvette Kumsung: anyway, the conclusion is the end, so i can start wrting the conclusion while you guys start on editing the drafts for your podcasts
[17:07]  Yvette Kumsung: if brien doesn't do anything by then
[17:08]  Yvette Kumsung: so that is the backup plan
[17:08]  Frappe Lapointe: okay
[17:08]  USA Brody: okay. well the thesis has to relate to the conclusion well to be effective.
[17:08]  USA Brody: generally speaking
[17:08]  Yvette Kumsung: but first you'll be working on the empathic arguments
[17:09]  USA Brody: the conclusion in an argument is what we want to advocate
[17:09]  USA Brody: or what we want to happen right?
[17:09]  USA Brody: so what do we want to happen?
[17:09]  USA Brody: do we want voice to be integrated with choice?
[17:09]  Frappe Lapointe: It to be the choice of the Avatar
[17:09]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:10]  Frappe Lapointe: we want both but everyone to be able to choose
[17:10]  USA Brody: so we are arguing for the choice of the avatar to be able to have a choice in teh voice integration right?
[17:10]  USA Brody: okay .
[17:10]  Frappe Lapointe: well should we be off and writting?
[17:10]  USA Brody: so we need to explicitly say that in the introduction and in the thesis. More directly in the introduction.
[17:11]  USA Brody: and more profoundly in the conclusion
[17:11]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes.. Pere has the intro
[17:11]  USA Brody: okay. what does everyone think about the project so far?
[17:11]  Frappe Lapointe: and hopfully brian had the conclusion
[17:11]  USA Brody: any ideas, comments, questions for each other?
[17:11]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:12]  USA Brody: do we want music?
[17:12]  Yvette Kumsung: I think we're on track now!
[17:12]  Yvette Kumsung: Does the music have to be copyright-free?
[17:12]  USA Brody: I don't think so
[17:12]  Yvette Kumsung: or maybe since it's a class project it doesn't matter
[17:12]  USA Brody: it would be fair use
[17:12]  USA Brody: for educaion
[17:12]  USA Brody: more than likely
[17:12]  Yvette Kumsung: please make any suggestiong for music then
[17:12]  USA Brody: just depends on which country we are brodcasting and creating in
[17:13]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:13]  USA Brody: don't stop thinking about tomorrow?
[17:13]  Frappe Lapointe: NICE
[17:13]  USA Brody: how about some U2
[17:13]  USA Brody: Beautiful day
[17:13]  Yvette Kumsung: which song?
[17:13]  USA Brody: sunday bloody sunday
[17:13]  Yvette Kumsung: it would be nice to have some lyrics about voice
[17:14]  USA Brody: U2 is pretty powerful
[17:14]  Yvette Kumsung: or about choice
[17:14]  USA Brody: yeah.... true. . . .
[17:14]  Yvette Kumsung: I'll see what I can dig up
[17:14]  USA Brody: okay. I will too....
[17:14]  USA Brody: So. is the wiki prepared for guidance
[17:14]  You: yes
[17:15]  You: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/Thursday_1900_EST#Esmond
[17:15]  USA Brody: okay. so let us depart and start working then!!!!!! Unless anyone has some comments?
[17:15]  Yvette Kumsung: oh one more thing
[17:15]  You: start under your own section plz
[17:15]  Frappe Lapointe: How about "it is not easy being green" that is about choice
[17:15]  Yvette Kumsung: If I need any shoots with us, when would be a good time during next week?
[17:15]  You: how many machines do u have yvette?
[17:15]  Yvette Kumsung: not everyone has to participate
[17:15]  USA Brody: I think we should all post an email address on the wiki or a screen name
[17:16]  USA Brody: or something for direct communication
[17:16]  USA Brody: the moodle sucks
[17:16]  Yvette Kumsung: okay
[17:16]  USA Brody: okay. is that okay with everyone?
[17:16]  USA Brody: Pere , Frappe?
[17:16]  You: yes
[17:16]  USA Brody: is that okay with you all?
[17:16]  Yvette Kumsung: don't our IDs have email links?
[17:16]  You: yes, in moodle
[17:16]  USA Brody: I think so...
[17:17]  You: william, u didn't populate urs
[17:17]  USA Brody: okay. well I will put mine on the wiki
[17:17]  You: ..... will get harvested for spam
[17:17]  USA Brody: okay. then we might just email everyone our email addresses
[17:17]  USA Brody: sound good
[17:17]  Yvette Kumsung: that's a better idea
[17:17]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes
[17:18]  Frappe Lapointe: I think everyone has mine?
[17:18]  USA Brody: [redacted] is my most reliable address
[17:18]  USA Brody: I use it constantly without spam email
[17:18]  You: hold on, whens the deliverable
[17:18]  USA Brody: not sure... 14th
[17:18]  USA Brody: of december I think
[17:19]  You: when is 1st draft of each section due
[17:19]  USA Brody: but we need to start working now
[17:19]  USA Brody: anyone ?
[17:19]  You: saturday 7pm EST?
[17:19]  USA Brody: tomorrow right?
[17:19]  You: project presentation is december 12tg
[17:19]  USA Brody: it was moved I think
[17:19]  You: moved from the 8th yes
[17:19]  Yvette Kumsung: yes. and we need a working entire script by sunday
[17:20]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:20]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:20]  USA Brody: so tomorrow right?
[17:20]  Yvette Kumsung: I need at least two days for video editing
[17:20]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:20]  USA Brody: well then the final drafts are due no later than the 8th
[17:20]  USA Brody: to give us room to do final additions
[17:20]  USA Brody: and a review
[17:20]  USA Brody: and a practice presentation?
[17:20]  USA Brody: sound good
[17:20]  USA Brody: or too soon?
[17:21]  Yvette Kumsung: and you guys have to look at it and comment on it so that i can correct it so
[17:21]  USA Brody: okay great.
[17:21]  USA Brody: so is that a 10; 4; on the 8th?
[17:21]  Frappe Lapointe: I can not make it tomorrow at 7pm
[17:21]  You: thats okay
[17:21]  USA Brody: okay.
[17:21]  You: can u get draft 1 in by then?
[17:22]  USA Brody: well. I have to go now... or in the next five minutes
[17:22]  You: of the text, u can post audio sunday
[17:22]  Frappe Lapointe: Yes
[17:22]  Frappe Lapointe: I will have it posted
[17:22]  You: schweet
[17:23]  Yvette Kumsung: if it is alright with you, please e-mail me your phone number so I can send a text message if there is an emergency
[17:23]  Frappe Lapointe: We did good tonight----- Yeah for us
[17:23]  You: everything else is on the public wiki
[17:23]  USA Brody: okay well I will start working on my section tonight....
[17:23]  You: sending a group spam to everyone now
[17:23]  Yvette Kumsung: I will send an e-mail with my msn messenger ID just in case
[17:23]  USA Brody: Pere send me a copy at Alumni.law.harvard.edu
[17:23]  You: will do
[17:23]  Frappe Lapointe: I will post my script and also email it
[17:23]  USA Brody: okay. thanks
[17:23]  Yvette Kumsung: thanks everyone
[17:23]  USA Brody: great job team
[17:23]  USA Brody: !!!!
[17:24]  USA Brody: I think we finally started to focus!
[17:24]  USA Brody: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:24]  Frappe Lapointe: Have a good night
[17:24]  Frappe Lapointe: one ?
[17:24]  Yvette Kumsung: goodnight!
[17:24]  USA Brody: okay. Goodnight everyone. Great job as always. .. Hope the coffee wasn't too bothersome...
[17:24]  Frappe Lapointe: how long should each be?
[17:24]  USA Brody: I will try not to do it again
[17:24]  USA Brody: lol
[17:25]  Yvette Kumsung: not over 3 minutes I think
[17:25]  USA Brody: what was that?
[17:25]  USA Brody: how long for the podcast?
[17:25]  USA Brody: not over three minutes?
[17:25]  Yvette Kumsung: the entire machinima should be under 10 minutes, don't you think?
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: yes
[17:26]  USA Brody: yeah. let's check with becca on that
[17:26]  USA Brody: just to be sure
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: okay
[17:26]  USA Brody: it could be even less
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: good
[17:26]  Yvette Kumsung: preferably 5-6
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: we cut if we need to
[17:26]  USA Brody: okay. great.
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: just wanted to check
[17:26]  Yvette Kumsung: shorter the better
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: yes
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: ciao!
[17:26]  USA Brody: so are we going to talk to becca? or no?
[17:26]  Frappe Lapointe: no
[17:26]  USA Brody: okay
[17:26]  USA Brody: bye everyone!!!!
[17:27]  Yvette Kumsung: bye
[17:27]  Frappe Lapointe: Bye
[17:27]  USA Brody is Offline
[17:28]  Frappe Lapointe: Well I think we are in a better place
[17:28]  Frappe Lapointe: tonight
[17:29]  You: hope so
[17:29]  Frappe Lapointe: we are