10Oct2006chatlog
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[18:30] Egon Spengler: so do either of you happen to have access to final cut pro, or iMovie? [18:30] lIHd Sellery: I have iMovie [18:30] You: not at home, church st labs yes [18:31] Egon Spengler: ah, I'm lagging :( [18:31] lIHd Sellery: umm I think, hold on I thought it came with my mac [18:31] You: imovie will have [18:31] Egon Spengler: heh [18:31] Egon Spengler: I'm going to join you [18:31] You: final cut pro is $$ [18:32] Egon Spengler: Hi David [18:32] lIHd Sellery: yeah iMovie HD [18:32] David Spaatz: hello [18:32] David Spaatz: i have fcp [18:32] Egon Spengler: yes, FCP is pricey [18:32] You: any objectsions to blender? [18:32] Egon Spengler: okay, so KB says that we can use FCP's 'edit decision lists' [18:32] Egon Spengler: and that we could feasibly do distributed editing [18:33] lIHd Sellery: on and iMac G4 1.33 [18:33] You: what is distributed editing? [18:33] Egon Spengler: you would just need a low-res set of copies of the files [18:33] Egon Spengler: let's see [18:33] Egon Spengler: how to explain [18:33] Egon Spengler: we would put up low-res versions of the video files [18:33] You: like a render farm or cluster? [18:33] Egon Spengler: and then people could check them out [18:33] Egon Spengler: not exactly a farm [18:34] Egon Spengler: more like open source programming [18:34] Egon Spengler: anyone familiar w/ CVS or SVN? [18:34] You: yep, i run forge.abcd.harvard.edu cvs repo for harvard [18:34] Egon Spengler: there ya go [18:34] lIHd Sellery: no [18:34] Egon Spengler: so it's like checking out code [18:34] lIHd Sellery: not sure what those acronyms stand for though [18:34] Egon Spengler: and FCP will keep track of exactly what you do [18:34] Egon Spengler: like a macro [18:35] Egon Spengler: CVS is an open source code management system [18:35] You: and u can switch between the edits on the fly? [18:35] Egon Spengler: it allows people to check out code and then turn in edits (aka patches) [18:35] You: in what client? quicktime? [18:35] Egon Spengler: it only works in FCP [18:36] Egon Spengler: so you get all the files in the right folders, then you run the 'edit decision list' EDL [18:36] Egon Spengler: and final cut pro will reconstruct the edited version [18:37] Egon Spengler: so you guys use low-res versions, and then we get your EDL and swap in broadcast quality stuff [18:37] Egon Spengler: it makes distributing the editing process feasible, while still not loosing any quality on the video files [18:37] Egon Spengler: so what's not making sense to who? [18:37] You: whats in our edits? [18:38] lIHd Sellery: soundsgood but if we dn't have final cut pro we can't [articipate? [18:38] Egon Spengler: basically, we'd like to make 'distilled' versions of the lectures [18:38] Egon Spengler: something like a 20-35 minute highlight video that has just the most interesting stuff from each class [18:38] Egon Spengler: can be any length, really [18:39] David Spaatz: cut in ppt slides [18:39] lIHd Sellery: how about inserting versions with different angles and integrating the powerpoints presentation onto the video? [18:39] Egon Spengler: IlHd, yes, for the EDL stuff, you need FCP [18:39] lIHd Sellery: deavid, exactly [18:39] Egon Spengler: however, the things you mentioned would not require FCP [18:39] lIHd Sellery: hmm well that may be a problem on my end. [18:40] lIHd Sellery: okay, I think I follow. [18:40] Egon Spengler: yes, that's the other thing [18:40] Egon Spengler: these edits would have access to 2 other camera angles [18:40] David Spaatz: sweet [18:40] You: lets say 3 video files [18:40] You: 1 ordinary lecture [18:40] You: 2 alternate camera [18:40] You: 3 ppt [18:40] David Spaatz: w/ cutaways and close ups they will be great [18:41] David Spaatz: sound tracks? [18:41] Egon Spengler: so KB says that there is a way that people with iMovie can participate in the editing [18:41] Egon Spengler: sure, sky's the limit, as long as we use stuff that can be released as CC [18:41] Egon Spengler: so sound, photos, music, whatever [18:41] lIHd Sellery: is anyone else seeing dancing white lights in front of us? [18:41] David Spaatz: do we have solid sound tracks or one track [18:42] David Spaatz: independent? [18:42] You: i'd prfere to just mono the stereo [18:42] Egon Spengler: well, the other 2 cams have mics [18:42] David Spaatz: but raw, are they seperate tracks [18:42] Egon Spengler: but we'll want to just use the ext. cam [18:42] Egon Spengler: and we do need to mix down to mono [18:43] Egon Spengler: I didn't know about the tracks being different, so I wasn't mixing down, but now I am (for the lecture .mp4s) [18:43] David Spaatz: do the 2 and 3 cams have their own tracks? [18:44] Egon Spengler: yeah, but they probably aren't as good [18:44] You: the end result is an mp4 [18:44] David Spaatz: we can normalize when edited [18:44] Egon Spengler: yes, that's what I've been putting up [18:44] Egon Spengler: yeah, that'd be good too [18:44] Egon Spengler: to level out the audio [18:44] Egon Spengler: so which of you are in cambridge? [18:44] You: v tight timeline [18:44] You: me [18:45] David Spaatz: Tampa [18:45] lIHd Sellery: I'm in North Carolina. [18:45] Egon Spengler: okay, you can use one of the Berkman computers to edit [18:45] Egon Spengler: no need for EDL, unless you can't get onto campus to edit [18:45] Egon Spengler: David, do you have access to iMovie or FCP? [18:45] You: depends on timeline [18:45] David Spaatz: fcp pro [18:46] Egon Spengler: it's basically whenever you have time [18:46] Egon Spengler: David, iMovie? [18:46] David Spaatz: Final Cut Pro HD [18:46] Egon Spengler: cool, so I think that KB would like everyone to put themselves in the wiki [18:47] David Spaatz: I am thre under the At Large Part. List @ main page [18:47] Egon Spengler: as either 'has access to FCP' 'has access to iMovie' or 'has access to PC' [18:47] Egon Spengler: okay [18:47] Egon Spengler: Hello Eon and Mobile [18:47] Mobile Widget: hi Egon [18:47] lIHd Sellery: I am there under at-large as well [18:47] Mobile Widget: :) [18:48] You: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/The_Video_Production_Project [18:48] Egon Spengler: thanks [18:48] David Spaatz: hello eon [18:48] Eon Berkman: hey [18:48] Egon Spengler: so can someone put some space in for those catagories? [18:48] Egon Spengler: and then we can all put ourselves into the proper slots [18:48] USA Brody is Online [18:48] You: participants on wiki [18:48] Egon Spengler: KB says he needs a way to get in touch with you (probably by e.mail) [18:49] Egon Spengler: I can give you his address, if you'd like [18:49] Egon Spengler: and you can send him a message w/ your info [18:49] lIHd Sellery: [redacted] or my gmail is on the site [18:49] Mobile Widget: I missed some of this meefing... and was wondering where things are at. :) [18:50] Egon Spengler: MW, can we give you a chat transcript? [18:50] Mobile Widget: that would be awesome [18:50] You: can someone post the chat transcript to the wiki (minus email addresses) [18:50] David Spaatz: kb address? [18:50] Egon Spengler: does someone have a sec to do that? [18:50] Egon Spengler: Kwan Bul [redacted] [18:50] Egon Spengler: there's KB [18:50] Mobile Widget is Online [18:51] Egon Spengler: okay, I think we should make a spot on the project page for participants [18:52] You: its there ego [18:52] Egon Spengler: okay, I just made it a bit more clear [18:52] Egon Spengler: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/The_Video_Production_Project#Participants_2 [18:53] Egon Spengler: so as long as your contact info is in your userpage, KB should be able to get in touch with you [18:53] Egon Spengler: he says that he has some ideas [18:53] Egon Spengler: he was trying to get in, tonight, but the lab didn't have SL, etc. [18:54] Egon Spengler: so I suppose I don't have that much more for this session [18:54] You: just posted the chat log from austin hall [18:54] Mobile Widget: are these videos going to be Real Media or Quicktime? [18:54] You: need to turn off wikification [18:54] Egon Spengler: I think Quicktime [18:54] Mobile Widget: I have experience making quicktime SMIL presentations... adn was wondering if we would be able to use the existing mpeg4 videos from the course [18:55] Egon Spengler: you're welcome to use them, but I think it'd be better to put your work into the higher quality stuff that we're all thinking of doing [18:55] David Spaatz: yes [18:55] Mobile Widget: sure thing [18:56] Mobile Widget: :) [18:56] Egon Spengler: Does anyone have any more ideas or concerns? [18:57] Egon Spengler: I'm still not 100% sure whay KB has in mind, but I know he's VERY excited that you are all interested in this project [18:57] David Spaatz: cool [18:57] lIHd Sellery: well I'm eager to help but I'm not as experienced as any of you are and I'm wondering how I will best be able to help? [18:58] Egon Spengler: do any of you guys have any ideas? [18:58] Egon Spengler: one thing I know for sure is that timecode queues help a LOT [18:59] Egon Spengler: so if you're watching the video, and don't mind noting when there is something interesting or pertinent [18:59] Mobile Widget: are ther timecode quees available? [18:59] Egon Spengler: jot down the time that it happens [18:59] lIHd Sellery: is that how we we enter places where certain slides should be inserted? [18:59] Mobile Widget: is anyone in the Extension classes? [18:59] Egon Spengler: slides could be, but more importantly anything interesting [19:00] Eon Berkman: i am totally excited about this project [19:00] Egon Spengler: a good quote or change in topic [19:00] Egon Spengler: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/Video_Timecode [19:00] Egon Spengler: it will help everyone who is editing find good stuff to concentrate on [19:00] Egon Spengler: it's something that I wish we had more people doing [19:01] lIHd Sellery: gotcha thanks [19:01] Egon Spengler: but I know that it isn't immidiately apparent... [19:01] Eon Berkman: the idea of an at large group contributing to making the course more accessible is just what becca and i have hoped for [19:01] Egon Spengler: yes, so I know that you guys had thrown some ideas up on the wiki [19:01] Egon Spengler: sound, subtitles, etc [19:02] Egon Spengler: just to let you know, the sound is something we're continually working on [19:02] Aphilo Aarde: I've started to take notes with time code. I'll post them. [19:02] Egon Spengler: aphilo, that's awesome [19:02] lIHd Sellery: from what I can tell on the time code page there is no one noting when slides come up or are replaced, correct? [19:02] Egon Spengler: yes, that's right [19:03] Egon Spengler: people haven't really been taking notes and putting them into the timecode... [19:03] lIHd Sellery: that will make it hard to insert the powerpoints into the first lectures then [19:03] David Spaatz: we can get cues from the lecture [19:03] Egon Spengler: well, you can alway [19:03] Egon Spengler: yeah, that's what I was going to say [19:03] Mobile Widget: does the Extension school video (online) have the presentations included? [19:03] lIHd Sellery: I remember prof Nesson indicating that there was a lighting problem that prevented them from showing up on the video. [19:04] Mobile Widget: if they do - I wonder if someone has the timecodes [19:04] Egon Spengler: I believe so, but I'm not sure if we're taking advantage of that [19:04] Mobile Widget: right [19:04] Egon Spengler: the Ext school releases video in realplayer format [19:04] Egon Spengler: and they have macros that they can sync slides with [19:05] Egon Spengler: but it's all sort of messy and highly proprietary [19:05] Egon Spengler: as far as sound goes, we're maxing out our little mixer [19:05] David Spaatz: we could use the PPT itself, capture image and insert [19:05] Mobile Widget: I have been involved in a course at the extension school... and we were keeping track with a stopwatch and pencil [19:05] Mobile Widget: :) [19:05] Egon Spengler: and when we've tried to add more wireless mics, it's been screwing up for some reason [19:06] Egon Spengler: interference or something?? [19:06] Egon Spengler: David, I think that's the best [19:06] Egon Spengler: we just need to get people to put their slides up [19:06] Egon Spengler: (prof. nesson included, I think) [19:06] Egon Spengler: I can remind people to post them on the wiki [19:06] GeneKoo Li: There's software out there that allows you to piece ppt and sound together (but very expensive) [19:07] David Spaatz: static shotgun mics? initial $ [19:07] lIHd Sellery: has anyone in the class discussed a irc backchannel projector setup or does that add an unnecessary level of complexity? [19:07] GeneKoo Li: don't think there's equivalent for video yet, maybe we have ourselves a business idea ;) [19:07] Egon Spengler: Sellery, not sure exactly what you mean by projector setup [19:07] GeneKoo Li: backchannel would only work for the HLS student yes? [19:07] Egon Spengler: you mean IRC behind the professor on a screen? [19:07] GeneKoo Li: otherwise the video's not live, wouldn't really let viewers participate [19:08] GeneKoo Li: unless I missed part of the conversation (foot in mouth?) [19:08] lIHd Sellery: well projecting a back channel irc discussion alongside the ppt presentation. [19:08] Egon Spengler: ah, I don't think we have 2 projectors [19:08] GeneKoo Li: heh, that would force the students to stop surfing in class and participate :) [19:08] lIHd Sellery: not vor the at-large or extension students but fot the HLS students [19:08] David Spaatz: start simple and acheive quality for info transfer to broader audience [19:09] Egon Spengler: David, I agree [19:09] Egon Spengler: I think we just want some good and simple videos, to begin with [19:09] lIHd Sellery: possibly, but the value of hls comentary and synthesis could be very interesting for the other participants [19:09] lIHd Sellery: I agree kiss [19:09] lIHd Sellery: and by that I mean keep it simple [19:09] Egon Spengler: we can always add to the videos [19:09] lIHd Sellery: not a romantic overture ;)