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RE: [dvd-discuss] Gedanken Experiment -Unix and Norton

I venture they have stored the Virus-signatures in a compact form, not just
a, say, simple list in a text file.

Also, identifying and then listing a Virus-signature and the remedy may be
protected too.  It not just the identification but also the way to remove a
Virus which is stored in the NAV and MacAfee definition file (look for
certain associated files, cleanup the Registry in a certain way, etc.).  (To
give them also a competitive edge.)

On the other hand, looking at the copyright notices of Symantec Norton
SystemWorks 2003 it only mentions (and only there, not at the component
level Norton AntiVirus) "This computer program is protected by copyright law
and international treaties..."
I does not say anything about configuration or datafiles.


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On 5 Jul 2003 at 21:03, juergen + barbara wrote:

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> well do you use your own format of the AV definition file or are you using
> MacAfee's or Norton's?  For the later they could get you -- DMCA seems to
> prohibit reverse-engineering...

Well that's the question. What is copyrightable in their NAV definition
The signature of the virus? That's a fact. The definitions file is no more
a listing of virus and signatures for them-a listing of facts this is no
copyrightable than the telephone book. So how can their file be copyrighted?
If it is not copyrighted how can the DMCA be involved.

OK now consider if I wrote a translation program of the definitions to an
file format. Does that program violate the DMCA? It should not because the
material is not copyrighted and so circumvention is not an issue...or should
be. The exemptions the LOC recommends to congress might be interesting.

NOw I will admit given that, using encryption on the file is an ideal way
Norton or Macaffee to protect their facts from being able to be used by
but also allowing them to claim DMCA protection on something that is not
copyrighted should also not be allowed.
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> In view of the recent discussions on the w32.klem.h consider this...
> Suppose someone writes a virus scanner for Unix that uses Norton
> definition files rather than their code. Is that copyright infringement?
> of trade secret? Or DMCA violation? Now I'd bet money that Symantec would
> anybody who did that into court and try arguing all three.