RE: [dvd-discuss] DVD Editing

[Richard Hartman <hartman(at)onetouch.com>]

Absatively, posalutely.

Now ... how do we get them to _see_ that?

Preferably before this cr@p about -mandatory- DRM
get's passed ...

-- 
-Richard M. Hartman
hartman@onetouch.com

186,000 mi/sec: not just a good idea, it's the LAW!



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael A Rolenz [mailto:Michael.A.Rolenz@aero.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:46 AM
> To: dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu
> Subject: RE: [dvd-discuss] DVD Editing
> 
> 
> That's a good observation. It IS a slippery slope once one 
> abandons the 
> first sale doctrine and begins to put claims and restrictions 
> afterwards. 
> While it should be no surprise, given the laws our 
> congresscritters have 
> been coming up with lately, but they are totally oblivious 
> that they are 
> altering fundamental doctrine. The laws violate fundamantals.
> 
> 
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> Richard Hartman <hartman@onetouch.com>
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> > On 23 Sep 2002 at 11:21, Richard Hartman wrote:
> > 
> > From:                          Richard Hartman 
> <hartman@onetouch.com>
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> > > It would certainly be harder to edit in material 
> > > that is not on the DVD than it would be to create
> > > an alternate playlist ignoring material that actaully
> > > is there.
> > > 
> > > The only thing I can think of that might fall into
> > > this category is the DVDs that come with "deleted
> > > scenes".  As long as those are on the same DVD as
> > > the movie itself (instead of on a second, "bonus
> > > material" DVD) then you could create a playlist that
> > > re-inserted those scenes into the movie.
> > > 
> > > Beyond that, there isn't much you could do w/o 
> > > actually burning NEW DVDs w/ your material-to-be-included
> > > and that would clearly be a violation of copyright since 
> > > you would have to burn the base movie on it as well.
> > > 
> > > I _suppose_ you could come up w/ work-arounds such
> > > as storing your material on a second disc and creating
> > > a special movie player that worked with a playlist that
> > > read from two DVD/CD drives ... if that approach was taken I 
> > > do not see that they could get you for violating anything
> > > since the original DVD would be a) required; and b) unaltered.
> > 
> > WHich also violates the sanctity of the artist's moral 
> right over the 
> > exhibition of his works in some countries...personally I wish 
> > people, lawmakers 
> > included, would understand the difference between legal and 
> > moral. While legal, 
> > and it should remain legal, I would not consider it moral 
> > since it alters the 
> > work beyond anything that the creator envisioned. Yet once in 
> > the public domain 
> > the work is grist for anyone's mill and should be. The battle 
> > against that sort 
> > of misuse should be fought by the critics in writing and the 
> > public by ignoring 
> > it.
> > 
> 
> I am not so sure that the artist's work _is_ altered.  After
> all, there is the original DVD -- paid for (I hope) by the 
> viewer -- and it remains unaltered by the process I described.
> 
> After First Sale, the viewer has the right to view the material
> in whatever way they see fit.
> 
> We're on the infamous "slippery slope".  Where would _you_ draw
> the line as to the user's rights after first sale?
> 
> Can he view the movie :
> 
>                  on a licensed dedicated DVD player
> 
>                  on a computer, Windows OS, using licensed 
> CSS decoding 
> software
> 
>                  on a computer, Linux OS, using unlicensed 
> DeCSS software
> 
>                  on a computer, with a custom playlist to skip the 
> "naughty bits"
> 
>                  on a computer, with a custom playlist to 
> re-insert the 
>                                  deleted scenes that reside 
> on the same 
> disc
> 
>                  on a computer with custom software to re-insert the 
> deleted 
>                                  scenes when they reside on 
> the second 
> disc of a set
> 
>                  on a computer with custom software to insert 
> new material 
> 
>                                  that resides on a second, separately 
> produced disc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -Richard M. Hartman
> hartman@onetouch.com
> 
> 186,000 mi/sec: not just a good idea, it's the LAW!
> 
> 
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