RE: [dvd-discuss] Sen. Hatch supports remote destruction

["Richard Hartman" <hartman(at)onetouch.com>]

The thing is that there _is_ amgiguity in fair use.

There is, however, _no_ ambiguity in the DMCA.  If you
bypass the TPM to get to the content, you're guilty.  Even 
if the act of copying the content is not in itself illegal.
Fair use is one area.  Backups are another.  

-- 
-Richard M. Hartman
hartman@onetouch.com

186,000 mi/sec: not just a good idea, it's the LAW!



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Gengler [mailto:phil@codeallday.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:31 PM
> To: dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu
> Subject: RE: [dvd-discuss] Sen. Hatch supports remote destruction
> 
> 
> I phrased it like that because the DMCA was a set of massive 
> changes to
> copyright law, so the DMCA could be considered a subset of copyright
> law.  I wasn't really getting into fair use, which I probably should
> have mentioned along with that.
> 
> Although, fair use isn't really a concrete thing either, the way it's
> laid out in the law is a series of tests for a judge to consider.  I'd
> much rather see fair use actually be codified, so that there's no (or
> less) ambiguity as to what is a fair use.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 20:23, Stephen L Johnson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 19:08, Phil Gengler wrote:
> > > Violating the DMCA implies you're violating copyright laws, but
> > > violating copyright laws doesn't mean you're violating the DMCA.
> > 
> > No. The first part of your statement is not necessarily 
> true. I can be
> > violating the DCMA by ripping some "Exclusive Bonus 
> Material" on a DVD.
> > But the purpose of the copying to is to provide an except 
> to emphasis a
> > point in my online video critique of the DVD. That falls 
> well within the
> > bounds of fair use.  
> > 
> > > On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 20:04, Richard Hartman wrote:
> > > > Violating copyright laws and violating the DMCA are 
> _not_ the same thing.
> > > > 
> > > > Vigilante actions are typically against the law -- law 
> enforcement is in the hands of the police agencies, not the 
> individual (or the corporations).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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