RE: [dvd-discuss] How many bits is a technical protection measure?

["Michael A Rolenz" <Michael.A.Rolenz(at)aero.org>]

I think the argument went beyond the developer of the fonts.....My 
apologies if my comments were unclear. They were directed at Monotype and 
others.  The tool is clearly supports fair use for the developer's fonts. 
The issue is if it allows fair use of other's fonts. ... I think the 
concensus is that it does. The concept of having a non-embeddable font 
really contradicts the purpose of having an electronic font.




Richard Hartman <hartman@onetouch.com>
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You're all missing a basic point.  You're arguing as if the
font creator WANTS the font to be non-embeddable.  According
to the information, the person who created the "circumvention
tool" created it so that he could embed fonts that he, himself,
had created.  The font creation tool would not allow him to
create an embeddable font ... the font tool was _preventing_
him from excercising his own rights to his own creation!


-- 
-Richard M. Hartman
hartman@onetouch.com

186,000 mi./sec ... not just a good idea, it's the LAW!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noah silva [mailto:nsilva@atari-source.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:45 AM
> To: dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: [dvd-discuss] How many bits is a technical protection
> measure?
> 
> 
> Hmm...
> 
> I could see them saying that copying the entire font is infringement,
> whereas certain charicters may not be, but considering that in any
> reasonably sized letter, all of the charicters are used...
> 
> But I can also see how they could say that your final 
> communication will
> be a specific size, etc., and rendered bitmaps should be sent 
> instead of
> the outline fonts.
> 
> But really, if you can't use the fonts, people will be likely just to
> choose other fonts.
> 
>  -- noah silva
> 
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Michael A Rolenz wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I contend that it is NOT infringement if you 
> "copy the ttf file to your receipient". I have paid to use 
> the font in 
> > communications. If the font cannot be used in 
> communications to others 
> > then it is failing the test for merchantability.
> > 
> > This seems to be another old business model that needs to 
> be retired. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Charles Ballowe <hangman@steelballs.org>
> > Sent by: owner-dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu
> > 04/23/02 08:34 PM
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> > 
> > 
> > The market for fonts is developed around a model where 
> documents are not
> > distributed in electronic form. For electronic 
> distribution, non-embedable
> > fonts make no sense.
> > 
> > Of course, those 2 bits don't prevent somebody from taking 
> the font file
> > and dropping it in their fonts directory. They just prevent 
> it from being
> > embedded in a document. You could still copy the ttf file to your 
> > receipient,
> > but that would be direct infringement - but not circumvention.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:25:36PM -0700, 
> microlenz@earthlink.net wrote:
> > > Yes but a NOT professional printer has PAID for the 
> ability to use the 
> > font. 
> > > Privately it matter not to me WHat font I use for most of 
> what I write 
> > <I 
> > > prefer Times Roman> but when I create something with a 
> font, I want that 
> > font 
> > > used when I publish it albeit to the limited distribution 
> that I do. I 
> > have 
> > > paid for it. Personally I have no need to use that font 
> ONLY when I 
> > distribute
> > > it to others and I paid to do so-even when the printer is 
> acting as my 
> > agent. 
> > > In the electronic age, printers are acting more as agents 
> as they take 
> > camera 
> > > ready copy.
> > > 
> > > The whole notion that one can distribute a font for 
> someone to use in 
> > private 
> > > but not for public distribution of the work is so stupid 
> that I wonder 
> > what 
> > > disease affects their mind other than SchiessKopf Syndrome.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>